Thread: Hand Saws with Plates

Like I said, quite a few of the manufacturers made this style of saw.

Wheeler Madden and Clemsen had three models by the time they were absorbed into the Disston giant and were part of The National Saw Company from 1895 onwards. The No.2, and Nos. 52 and 10 both with the Holden pattern handle:

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The WH Davis No.4 saw was in fact made by Richardson:

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Woodrough and McParlin made the grand sounding No.1000

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and Harvey Peace the No.110

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Spear and Jackson had an Aetna range. The second saw is the only one I have seen on a combination saw. Actually that's not right: Disston's No.43 had the same, albeit much more fancy, The main difference with the S & Js is that it seems to indicate they had plates on both sides whereas the American saws only had the plate on the face side.:

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Btw, did you notice how many of them had a black walnut handle?

Regards
Paul

Paul another fantastic research and write up.
I can't think of anything at present regarding the plate.
At first I when I saw one in a pic I thought for strength.
But that would make more sense on the tote not the breast ???

Cheers Matt

Matt

As I said, I really don't know the purpose of the plate. I did notice that with the S & J saws you could have either the single plate of a plate on both sides. That would tend to support a reinforcing theory, but not conclusive.

The saw I cleaned up revealed an etch that said "Monarch" also warranted cast steel, patent ground and superior quality. (It wasn't one of the potential Simonds saws)

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Some research has suggested that Monarch was a name used by the Monaghan saw works (Wheeler Madden and Clemson),. I did find a thread on another Forum that confirmed the look and etch of the saw (Woodnet), but I could not get pictures despite registering. It sounded identical.

In the course of searching I found this No.10 in the 1871 Wheeler Madden and Clemson catalogue:

Wheeler Madden & Clemson 1871 catalogue. Nos 10, 12, 16, 20.jpg

Regards
Paul

TobyC had a mystery plated saw years back in a thread on here in which I made some uninformed guesses , and I think RayG provided some good leads if not a solution.

Mystery Saw...Need Help With ID

The original photo is gone now ... but maybe TobyC will see this & help out

Cheers,
Paul

I see a mention of a saw “the Sioux” model 47. I just obtained one and was wondering if I could find out any more information about it. Thank you

Welcome to the Forum Sarge

Congratulations on finding The Sioux. I have been looking for one unsuccessfully for a few years now. May I ask you to post some pix including the etch?

The Sioux is one of what I call Simonds' "third level" saws, in that they were their budget level models. "Third level" is my terminology. Their main line up had the Simonds brand name of course, their secondary line was produced under the Bay State brand and the "third level" saws all featured a connection to indigenous Americans.

I did post a catalogue pic in the original post but here it is again in enlarged splendour:

Simonds The Sioux No.47 metal plate saw. 1912.jpg

Although this is from the 1912 catalogue, The Sioux featured throughout the time Simonds made handsaws which was 1900 to 1926. I have a number of catalogues from 1903 to 1923 and this model features in them all. Apple was the preferred timber for the upmarket saws with Beech being used for lesser models. However, the metal plate saws almost exclusively, but not quite, among all the manufacturers used Walnut. I could understand one manufacturer using a different timber as a point of difference (The Bay State saws used Birch for example), but for all manufacturers to adopt the same timber? I have no idea how this came about.

Normally, I can date a Simonds saw to within five years or so, but not with this model without a medallion or any other change. It remained unchanged throughout it's life. I hope this helps you.

Regards
Paul

Paul,
Thank you for all that information! I really appreciate that!
I’m still trying to figure out how to post photos in the messages. This is a test photo. If this works, I’ll post the other pics
iCloud

Just some more information on Simonds third level saws the models included:

King Philip (No.42)
Skenandoah (No.43)
Osceola (No. 46)
The Sioux (No.47)
Algonquin (No. 48)
Iroquois (No.49)
Pontiac (No.50)

Hiawatha (No.45)
Mohawk (No.141)

Not all these models were made for the duration of Simonds hand saw production.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Sgt Witt

......I’m still trying to figure out how to post photos in the messages....

As a new member, you have to wait until you've made a few posts before you can attach files, but you should be ok now....

When replying or starting a new thread: Scroll down to "Manage atachments" & click on that.
You'll get a window with "Add files" in the top right hand corner.
Click on"Add files", then "Browse", find the pic you want and select it.
Double-click the file, or select & click "open" at the bottom right of the window.
If you want more than one pic, repeat procedure.

When you have selected all the pics you want, click "upload".
You'll get a row of icons of your pics on the bottom of the window.

If you want to have the pics appear in the text at appropriate places, deselect all but he one you want to place inline & click the "insert inline" button at bottom right.

It's easier to do than explain....

Cheers,

PS: I would encourage posters to upload pictures with posts rather than use a third-party host. The latter works, of course, but is often more cumbersome & over time, links drop out for various reasons & pics disappear, which can be frustrating when looking up old posts. Uploaded pics remain available - except when someone does a programme update & forgets to include some important steps, as happened a few years ago..

Still no “manage attachment” tab, yet. I’ll keep trying. Thank you for the direction

Now it lets me...
The etchings are hard to see in photographs. It shows a Sioux Indian Chief in headdress riding on a horse. Haven’t started any restoration on it yet

Thanks sarge

With only two saw screws I am assuming it is a smaller saw with a blade somewhere between 18" and 22", That too is more unusual. The "candidates" I have (no etch) are all 26" and only in the candidate category by virtue of the metal plate shape. It looks to be in good nick and should clean up well.

Regards
Paul

Paul,

Thank you again for all the information. The blade measures 16”. The hand hole is too tight for my hand to use comfortably, but wasn’t planning on using. Almost a children’s/ladies saw, I might guess. When I acquired The Sioux, I also grabbed this one, for it’s good condition. Fairly common?

Thanks
Dan

Originally Posted by Sgt Witt

Still no “manage attachment” tab, yet. I’ll keep trying. Thank you for the direction

Yep, you'll be 'admitted' soon. It's a bit of a pita for new members, but it's to reduce spamming (doesn't stop them by any means, but it reduces the load...)