Thread: Who made this Handsaw? (one for RayG perhaps??)

Hi Scribbly,

The best candidate would be

From Roberts.. & Hand Saw Makers of Britain.
Josh and Robert Dodge Continental Saw Works Bridge Street Sheffield 1872-1884
Limited by 1879, Merchants and Factors after 1884

Here is an advert from White's 1879 Directory..

If I am ever in desperate need of horse rasps I know where to look...




JOSh is I think an abbreviation for Joseph, Not Johsua

Many thanks Ray.
Looks like this one is quite old.
Hasn't done much work has it?

Regards from Tele Point
SG

Hi Scribbly,

I was just looking at that, the condition is amazing considering it's around 130 years old,
Nice shiny blade, handle is immaculate, ... what market did you say that was?

Nice score!

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi Scribbly,

I was just looking at that, the condition is amazing considering it's around 130 years old,
Nice shiny blade, handle is immaculate, ... what market did you say that was?

Nice score!

Regards
Ray

We have a great market every Sunday at Port Macquarie, and it has been my Sunday morning ritual to pop into town and visit the markets for produce, and of course talk tools with the vendors.
Sadly I was on duty at the School Rodeo today cooking breakfasts for the hungry hoardes, so I missed my market treat.
Who knows what treasures I missed!

Thanks again Ray
SG

Originally Posted by Scribbly Gum

We have a great market every Sunday at Port Macquarie, and it has been my Sunday morning ritual to pop into town and visit the markets for produce, and of course talk tools with the vendors.
Sadly I was on duty at the School Rodeo today cooking breakfasts for the hungry hoardes, so I missed my market treat.
Who knows what treasures I missed!

Thanks again Ray
SG

Hi SG,

Ok, so I need to know, when are you next rostered on for egg&bacon patrol, so I can be sure I've got a clear run at the market.

With finds like that, it would be worth the 16 hour drive..

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi SG,

Ok, so I need to know, when are you next rostered on for egg&bacon patrol, so I can be sure I've got a clear run at the market.

With finds like that, it would be worth the 16 hour drive..

Regards
Ray

Well, the Rodeo is all over for another year, and short of my roster at the Hastings Woodworkers Shop in Wauchope, I might be lucky enough to have a clear run.
Of course, treasures don't come up every Sunday but there is often something interesting.
Saw some dog traps and a man trap last time - and someone must collect them because they were spoken for.
If you are looking for anything, let me know and I'll keep an eye out for it.
I have been looking for a good Turner number 7 and a Turner 220 for years, but no luck so far.
There can be droughts and floods as well. Went for about six weeks without seeing a fresh chisel, then suddenly there were twenty or so. Same with handsaws. Planes are a different matter - every man and his dog now thinks that any old plane is vintage, antique, collectable and rare. Seldom does a good one come along at a good price.
Anyway there is still the fun of the browsing, the lucky find and the haggling.
Ain't life fun!

Regards from Tele Point
SG

Hi Scribbly--Nice saw!

Originally Posted by RayG

...I was just looking at that, the condition is amazing considering it's around 130 years old, Nice shiny blade, handle is immaculate...

Hi Ray,

It's fairly easy with American makers to know when they made the switch to the improved saw bolts. A little harder with the English makers. The old names hung on a tad longer out of tradition I suppose.

But, I noticed the top of the trade bill:

"Established upwards of a century"

Was that under the other trade name appearing on the bill?

Take care, Mike

Nice pick up SG , Im not usually into panel and ripsaws , more on the lines of backsaws ,but if you ever get tired of that saw let me know.
I may be wrong but larger saws with the lambs' tongue on the bottom of the handle is different.
That one won't need to join the big stash of saws I have to restore.
My only large handsaw is a Spear and Jackson I bought about 25 years ago ,its just a user .

Kev.

Originally Posted by MikeW

Hi Scribbly--Nice saw!

Hi Ray,

It's fairly easy with American makers to know when they made the switch to the improved saw bolts. A little harder with the English makers. The old names hung on a tad longer out of tradition I suppose.

But, I noticed the top of the trade bill:

"Established upwards of a century"

Was that under the other trade name appearing on the bill?

Take care, Mike

Hi Mike,

That is a full page advertisment, so it refers to them, but, they only show up as sawmakers during the 1872-1884 period (HSMOB), but they may have been established for longer as a business, doing something else perhaps. Joseph Dodge is listed in White's 1852 as a Merchant and Manufacturer. So they were around at least earlier and probably later than 1884 as well.


Looking at those screws, what do you make of them?

I would think that split-nuts persisted longer in Britain than the US. And that looking at those screws would perhaps indicate a later date than 1884? (for a British Maker)

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi Mike,

That is a full page advertisment, so it refers to them, but, they only show up as sawmakers during the 1872-1884 period (HSMOB), but they may have been established for longer as a business, doing something else perhaps. Joseph Dodge is listed in White's 1852 as a Merchant and Manufacturer. So they were around at least earlier and probably later than 1884 as well.


Looking at those screws, what do you make of them?

I would think that split-nuts persisted longer in Britain than the US. And that looking at those screws would perhaps indicate a later date than 1884? (for a British Maker)

Regards
Ray

Just to help out, The medallion has a split nut on the back, the others do not. Perhaps they are replacements.
Regards
SG

Ah, SG--the split nits make much more sense for the look of the saw. If nothing else, the back edge of saw plates began receiving a curved treatment instead of the earlier straightline through the handle by sometime around 1880 or before.

Hey Ray,

From what I can ascertain via more a common wisdom is that some English makers began using the improved nuts with a year or so following the patent, but were much slower as a whole to use them.

Take care. Time for BBQ'ing

Mike