HNT Gordon New Plough Plane

**D.W.** · 9th March 2018, 01:32 AM

In terms of the need for anti-racking, needing to set both sides of a plane evenly without it - the desire for that kind of thing goes away when you use a plane without them for a little bit of time. I generally set my plow and fillister planes by eye (they are wooden, old type) and have never had an issue.

Same with a small record plow (that's cheap as chips), it's never been an issue in actual use. You shimmy the metal bits to make sure that one isn't putting the other in tension and just tighten them.

The point of this comment is that I wouldn't want to pay extra to get "anti racking" or any of those sorts of things. I had the LV small plow at one point, and it's a wonderful plane, but after finding an 050C with all of the blades for less than a hundred dollars, the LV plane hit the road.

I'd see something like HNT Gordon's plane as a specialty plane for very hard woods (which you guys have), because the pitch and the friction of the metal would turn me off in any significant amount of work. My friend george likes to refer to brass as "sticky" any time I suggest making a contact surface on a plane from brass.

The extra weight and metal would be welcome in really hard woods, though, as would the increased pitch. I'd keep an old wooden fillister on hand for everything else. they're only about a hundred bucks and require just a little bit of reconditioning to be like a new and tight plane. In work on medium hardwoods, they work like they're greased compared to a plane with metal contact surfaces.

**D.W.** · 9th March 2018, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Ian's dovetailing plane is the beesknees,

....

Now let us see if Terry can match my bridle plough plane

Both of those are such lovely planes. I don't think anyone will be making anything comparable to either of them and staying in business. Barrett is out of business, an infill maker who called themselves Gabardi and ripped a bunch of people off, out of business, etc.

The folks who seem to stay in business are the gordon's, et all, where it must be a labor of love, or the folks who manage to get quite a lot for their planes for what they are (I won't mention names -but I don't mean folks like Karl Holtey who drove themselves nuts chasing perfection - perhaps i'm wrong about nuts, maybe that's what Karl enjoyed. But, 200 hours into each large plane and high equipment costs, there's no way to do it for pennies).

**DomAU** · 10th March 2018, 09:23 AM

Derek and Ian,

Now that you have me all excited about building a dovetail plane, and because I havent had a chance to plan / work things out yet but thought it was a good opportunity to buy a blade from Terry today at the fair, which blade should I get? 1" skew rebate or 1" shoulder or 1 1/4" skew or shoulder? I haven't wrapped my head around the compound angles yet coupled with which side of the blade leads for a right hand plane etc and don't want to go skew and have to grind completely the opposite skew into it etc.

Cheers, Dom

**IanW** · 10th March 2018, 07:23 PM

Sorry Dom - didn't log in 'til this evening, so I guess you've been & come home again by now. I couldn't really advise you very usefully anyway, not knowing exactly what you've got in mind.

I used a 1" blade in my dovetail plane, which I made from a bit of HSS I bought from McJings. Because it's a 'badger' style, I only had to cut half a tang, so it was relatively easy. I know some say that HSS doesn't take a fine edge, but it seems to be quite adequate for the purpose, and it certainly holds it a long time. It's also a very economical way to go - I got 2 usable blades out of a chunk that cost me about $18.00.

Cheers,

**DomAU** · 11th March 2018, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by IanW

Sorry Dom - didn't log in 'til this evening, so I guess you've been & come home again by now. I couldn't really advise you very usefully anyway, not knowing exactly what you've got in mind.

I used a 1" blade in my dovetail plane, which I made from a bit of HSS I bought from McJings. Because it's a 'badger' style, I only had to cut half a tang, so it was relatively easy. I know some say that HSS doesn't take a fine edge, but it seems to be quite adequate for the purpose, and it certainly holds it a long time. It's also a very economical way to go - I got 2 usable blades out of a chunk that cost me about $18.00.

Cheers,

Thanks Ian,

He didn't have any plane blades with him on the day, so I have time to figure out what i actually need. I should probably start a separate thread if I want to keep going with this dovetail plane discussion I guess.

Back to the original topic, Terry did have the new plow with him at the Trades Fair. Looks really nice. Apparently they are part way through making a production batch of them and they'll be available soon. Terry indicated that he will likely sell a kit with a range of blades, as well as just the plane with a single blade. Pricing sounds like it will be very reasonable - but I'm not sure if he would want me pre-announcing anything regarding pricing until he comes up with a final value; he gave me a rough, indicative, ballpark, figure.

Cheers,

Dom

**kevjed** · 21st March 2018, 09:49 PM

Terry told me that the plough planes may be available later this year but other stock production is coming first.
I have a few of Terry’s tools and I find the MF to be an excellent tool. I rate the HNT Gordon tools as wonderful value for money compared to many of the high end tool makers.
I did purchase a number of tools by some great makers OS when the $AUS was on par with the $US.
All of them are fantastic tools. Worth every penny but at the end of the day. If they are set well and the blade is sharp... they take shavings and cut wood.
Premium prices are scary but each maker has to make a living.
Premium materials and exquisite execution of beautiful design comes at a price.
A HNT Gordon MF is very well priced compared to the equivalent tools from outside OZ.
Veritas, Lie Nelson, Marcou, Brese, Steiner & Sauer, DaedToolworks, Holtey, ANDERSON and Carter. All great, all different and they all take shavings.
The tools of fellow forum members here rate as just as effective, functional and beautiful as any of the tools listed by the makers above. Yes I’m talking about tools by Derek C, Ian W, Ray G and Bob L just to name a few. You guys continue to inspire.
Cheers
Kev

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