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    Default Information on an unusual plane..

    Hi Old Workshop here,

    I have a 22" Split Frame Plane and would
    like some info on it please. attachment.jpg
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    OW, I have copied your post in the 'sticky' thread and started a new thread for it. I think you'll be likely to get a better response this way, and it's such an oddball, I think it deserves it's own discussion....

    Cheers,
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    Iím getting vague in my old age but from memory this was one of Leonard Baileys early experiments before it developed into what we all know as the Stanley plane.
    I think he actually patented some thing on this so that would be a good place to start looking.
    Roger Smith May also have a mention in PTAMPA.
    As I said was right into early metal planes 30 years ago but my memory fails me.
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    About 1855 vintage the split frame came out, with the vertical post adjustment which rocked the frog caused the depth of cut to change.
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    No clue, but it's a nifty early modular design that I'd love to see more about.

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    Good suggestion, H., it does look a lot like some of the weird & wonderful metal plane designs that pre-dated or were contemporaneous with Mr. Bailey's eventual triumphant 1867 patent (for the plane we all know & love or hate today). From what I was able to discover, Bailey patented his rocking frog idea for a scraper plane in 1855, originally, and adapted it to a bench plane some time later. This example is possibly his most advanced design, but it looks a lot more like the later fixed-frog planes than the one above. The one book I have that discusses early American metal planes mentions an earlier design with a two-part body doesn't show a picture, but the description could fit the plane above.

    I was hoping the OP might post a few more pictures, revealing a bit more of the construction- particularly some more details of the frog...??

    Cheers,
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    Hi oldworkshop here, I will try and post a few more pictures of the plane including the frog.It is in a glass cabinet so will have to take the glass out.
    Will keep you posted

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    The knurling on those wheels is really nifty - subtle and seemingly different on most of the corners.

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    one more picture.IMG_20190515_172100.jpg

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    Really nice work done on those knobs. Someone had some knurls and wanted to show them off - they're wonderful.

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    I thought they could be engine turned or turned by a a rose engine lathe.
    My father was walking past a retirement home and someone asked if he
    wanted the plane or he was going to throw it in the bin. Another one saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old workshop View Post
    I thought they could be engine turned or turned by a a rose engine lathe.
    My father was walking past a retirement home and someone asked if he
    wanted the plane or he was going to throw it in the bin. Another one saved.
    Gosh, it would be a shame for someone to have discarded such a lovely piece.

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    So no-one has yet come up with any more info for this mystery plane? It's the first time I've seen the brains trust completely stumped!

    The casting & machining of the body & that rotating frog isn't something your average (or even above-average) backyard foundry would toss off, so very unlikely to be a 'home bake'. One thought I had was that someone like Preston was trying out a prototype, decided not to go ahead, and somebody took it home rather than see it chucked back in the crucible. However, it would be unusual to make such a decorated pair of thumbscrews for a prototype, even in the mid 1800s, when a few people were fooling about with rotating frogs for depth-of-cut control (including Lord Leonard himself).

    C'mon, you hand-toolies, someone must have come across something, somewhere!? Unfortunately, one of our most knowledgeable members wrt hand-plane history has left the building, but I'll bet he has an old catalogue or book that could shed some light....

    Cheers,
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    There is a name on the frog knob which reads R Lee but i found no
    info on R Lee. Maybe someone else could look up the name?

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    Also plane iron by Issac Greaves of sheffield 1825-1902

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