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19th August 2007, 07:28 PM #1
Nice little square with a surprise. ?
Got it from the markets today. Paid 8 bucks for it. Not that I need it. Looked interesting though.
Not only is it a square....there's a sliding T bevel in there as well for angles!
Printed with .......'HMM Ltd....made in england (must be good)..and some patent number.
I suspect theres more to it though. Something missing maybe. Theres a running slot in the Square part as well that something might run on...???
Any idea.
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19th August 2007, 08:46 PM #2
Jake,
I've got one the same which belonged to my father, can't say that it's ever been used and certainly not been checked for square. I'll see if I can retrieve it from whatever safe place its been put in to see if the markings are the same. One thing I can add is it's older than me.
Hope you give it a bit more respect by actually finding a use for it.
John.
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19th August 2007, 09:02 PM #3
Jake, are you framing more artwork?
Fletty
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19th August 2007, 09:22 PM #4Senior Member
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I have a square identical to that, Jake. No maker's name but made in England and patent no. 497450. I don't think there is anything missing.
Cheers
Paul
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19th August 2007, 10:54 PM #5New Member
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May I suggest that if you want information on items like this, it is a good idea to use Google. I Googled "HHM Ltd square" and found a few references.
Hope this is of some help.
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19th August 2007, 11:01 PM #6
its does thankyou. suppose I just like to hear what people think directly. uno.
yes Fletty. non stop on framing. Before and after work I do them. About 4 a week at the moment. The misses is looking forward to my father in laws exihibition so I can have a break from it, and start working on her new kitchen.
Thanks for the responses. Bit confused on why the square has a slot running down the middle. Thinking it must be there for a reason.
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19th August 2007, 11:38 PM #7
I was gonna reply when you first posted, but thought I'd hold off 'cos I'd only be making a wildarsed guess, but...
Do ya reckon that slot might be to make it easier to mark out mortices?
(Probably not... it'd be too cumbersome. As I said, 'twas only a guess.)
- Andy Mc
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19th August 2007, 11:44 PM #8
I don't see how... but your guess be as good as mine. just don't know. Maybe I should make that google search after all.
I was figuring that since the slot was similiar in width to the slot in the sliding bevel blade, and that the tool was 'clever' that maybe something else clever was to slide off it. but who knows.
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19th August 2007, 11:52 PM #9
I was thinking that you could hold the square along an edge and use the inside of the slot to make a parallel mark... but the "main body" of the square would get in the way unless you were making mortices right at the end. As I said, too cumbersome.
Perhaps there was a scribe that fitted the slot so you could use it as a marking gauge?
Still just guessing. It has me intrigued...
- Andy Mc
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20th August 2007, 12:17 AM #10
Jake
Using Paul's patent number, I found the following on the UK patent website
Answers quite a few questions...
PS Look on the tab "Original Document" which shows the stuff much more clearlyLast edited by jmk89; 20th August 2007 at 12:24 AM. Reason: extra info
Cheers
Jeremy
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly
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20th August 2007, 12:30 AM #11
Bingo!
- Andy Mc
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20th August 2007, 01:07 AM #12
Well done jmk, Bingo indeed. I can't see one because of Jake's mitt, but assume there is a notch at the end of both blades to locate a pencil. Interesting tool...
CheersAndy Mac
Change is inevitable, growth is optional.
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20th August 2007, 07:56 PM #13
Thats it. . I use a combo square as a ruff marking guage with a pencil, so could probably use this square in the same way off that notch it describes.... not sure when I'd use it with both blades sliding together though.
anycase, thanks for sorting that out Jeremy.
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20th August 2007, 10:42 PM #14
That's very good. I might even file a notch in the end of my comb square as I use it as a marking gauge a lot and it'd make it a little bit more user friendly.
Cheers, Richard
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20th August 2007, 10:59 PM #15Jake
Using Paul's patent number, I found the following on the UK patent website
Answers quite a few questions...
PS Look on the tab "Original Document" which shows the stuff much more clearly____________________________________________
BrettC
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