Thread: Record T5 jack plane.

Originally Posted by Woodlee

Interesting thread .
Jeez David you only been a member for a short while and you've already stirred the pot ,that must be a Record .
Handle at the rear and knob at the front I reckon.
Blade and cap iron .

Any ways good to see you on the forum at long last .

Kevin.

G'Day Kevin
Is it a thread or a step is this not what the forum is for a good old discussion and not the junk I have seen, I am just thinking of what the next pot I will stir, Kevin do I know you???
Havd a Good one
regards
David

Originally Posted by recordcollector

G'Day Kevin
Is it a thread or a step is this not what the forum is for a good old discussion and not the junk I have seen, I am just thinking of what the next pot I will stir, Kevin do I know you???
Havd a Good one
regards
David

David ,
Yes you know me ,although you may not know me as a member here ,we have spoken on the phone regarding japanning on Stanley planes , early last year some time .
I sent you some Gilsonite ( Asphultum) to make up the finish for a Stanley plane ( No 5 IIRC) you were restoring .

I have been using the same finish on a few old Stanley tools that I have
acquired over the last year or so ,and has been holding up extremely well .


The forum is a good place for discussion on many matters ,and there is nothing wrong with a good healthy discussion .

Good to see you here and hope you continue to return , also I have signed you guest book on your website ,which I will have a good look at a later date .
It's a great site and will help Record collectors , plenty of Stanley sites ,but not many for Record tools.



Kevin

Originally Posted by Woodlee

David ,
Yes you know me ,although you may not know me as a member here ,we have spoken on the phone regarding japanning on Stanley planes , early last year some time .
I sent you some Gilsonite ( Asphultum) to make up the finish for a Stanley plane ( No 5 IIRC) you were restoring .

I have been using the same finish on a few old Stanley tools that I have
acquired over the last year or so ,and has been holding up extremely well .


The forum is a good place for discussion on many matters ,and there is nothing wrong with a good healthy discussion .

Good to see you here and hope you continue to return , also I have signed you guest book on your website ,which I will have a good look at a later date .
It's a great site and will help Record collectors , plenty of Stanley sites ,but not many for Record tools.



Kevin

g/day Bluey i told David it was you, we have lost contact you need to send me some photo's of your current projects.
cheers
Tom

Originally Posted by chiselman

g/day Bluey i told David it was you, we have lost contact you need to send me some photo's of your current projects.
cheers
Tom

G'Day Bluey
Good to hear from you. I am trying to think what pot to stir next as its got a bit quiet on this thread the last few days, Maybe we should get it going on japanning as some think you can get it any colour like Record Blue japanning, Like Henry Ford said you can have you car in any colour you want so long as it's black, black or black.
Do you have my email address? if not you can get me through www.recordhandplanes.com.
Thanks for signing my guestbook
Stay-Sharp
David

Originally Posted by recordcollector

G'Day Kevin
Is it a thread or a step is this not what the forum is for a good old discussion and not the junk I have seen...

Don't know where you get that from. It's actually a fairly typical forum discussion really. There's always been healthy debates like this going back to the early interweb and days on The Pond, Oldtools List etc.

Originally Posted by Beefwood Pete

Don't know where you get that from. It's actually a fairly typical forum discussion really. There's always been healthy debates like this going back to the early interweb and days on The Pond, Oldtools List etc.

Got you

G'Day All
Can anyone help I am trying to find a Record Plough Plane No 044C
I would like to have one to add to my Web Site as it is the only plane I dont have
Thank you
www.recordhandplanes.com
Regards
Stay-Sharp
David

Originally Posted by chiselman

g/day Bluey i told David it was you, we have lost contact you need to send me some photo's of your current projects.
cheers
Tom

Hi Tom ,

Yes have sort of lost contact still have your e-mail addy in my address book.
I have been working on a couple of Stanley #66 beaders ,making cutter blades and stuff .
I'm also sorting my metal lathe work area and trying to make room for my milling machine and larger lathe .
The two days over the weekend don't last long to get all the jobs done ,I wish I could retire right now.

Good to see you here .


Kev.

Hi guys. Came here to see where all the links to Record-Planes.com were coming from, and have spent hours just reading the various posts. I should add that it's been a while since I last visited this forum, and I'm predominantly a "lurker" rather than an active participator.

Though things have somehow got off topic from the original thread I, nonetheless, wanted to comment in regards to the terminology used for various plane parts.

While the term "chipbreaker" is a relatively modern form of usage -- and one that I don't use myself -- the word "tote", or "toat" goes back centuries and is simply a term for the rear -- or front in some cases -- handle of a plane. The actual form or shape of the handle is irrelevant, so discussion should not be centered around this point. The shape of the tote, toat or handle, is somewhat stylistic of the times anyway, so it's almost like saying that a Veritas tote is a totally different beast from a Stanley one because they're not shaped exactly the same, as the Veritas is more upright than the Stanley. The truth is that they're still totes, toats, handles or whatever word you'd like to call them. It's akin to calling a car a car, regardless of the type of car it is - whether it's a sedan, a wagon, a hatchback or what have you. It's still a car.

The usage of tote (toat) in planemaking should not be confused with references to luggage or lugging around an object -- or even to "toting round a plane". It's usage is much older and more precise than that. In fact there are many more references to tote (toat) being the older term for handle in the old texts, rather than handle -- not by long, mind. Some 40 or 50 years or so earlier, but it is significant. Some of the texts have already been mentioned here, but I have even more of them where the term "tote", or "toat", is used to describe what we now generally know as a handle.

So calling a plane handle a tote/toat is not incorrect. In fact it's probably more correct to do so. Personally I use both terms interchangeably. Unlike "chipbreaker" I really don't have a preference either way (though I don't have a problem with anyone else using chipbreaker. I know what they mean by it). As to why the manufacturers of 100-200 years ago never mentioned toat/toat at all in their catalogues - well that's basically because "handle" had become the norm by the time that catalogues were becomming popular. I'm not sure what term my great, great uncle (who was a planemaker as well) used almost a century ago but, as he was Australian, he probably used "handle" over "tote".

Bye the way, nice site David. If I'd known you were working on one I probably wouldn't have bothered doing mine. In fact the main reason why I started mine is because there wasn't really anything substantial on Record planes out there and I wanted to rectify that. You must have had the same idea. Anyhow, good job!

BTW CRM is Handplanes Central ever going to put up the second (or later) parts of the article on making a skewed dovetail plane? The first part was fascinating and I would really love to find out what happens next!

Originally Posted by C.R. Miller

It's akin to calling a car a car, regardless of the type of car it is - whether it's a sedan, a wagon, a hatchback or what have you. It's still a car.

Unless of course it's a Lada

Cheers, Vann.

Originally Posted by C.R. Miller

Bye the way, nice site David. If I'd known you were working on one I probably wouldn't have bothered doing mine. In fact the main reason why I started mine is because there wasn't really anything substantial on Record planes out there and I wanted to rectify that. You must have had the same idea. Anyhow, good job!

G'Day C R Miller
What if we put our heads together and make one big site on Record You can email me at [email protected] It would be good to talk as I have a lot more info to go on the site.
Regards
David
www.recordhandplanes.com

Originally Posted by lightwood

Well...there I am put right back in my place...should have known this is VERY SERIOUS business, without an ounce of humour in it...

Goodman calls a TOAT the front handle! He wouldn't know what he's talking about...would he??
And the pictures I've seen where a TOAT or TOTE is at the back, it turns forward and goes down making a loop like a carry handle...not back into the familliar shape of a handle on a modern plane. It is complety devoid of the horn shape that goes between the thumb and foerfinger.

If you'd rather fight (which it's obvious you want to do) than have a good humoured discussion...then you go for it...but it won't be with me.

Good bye.

A grumpy..NOW!!!
Peter

G'Day Peter
I have changed the font on my site should be easier to read now Can you let me know what you think
Stay-Sharp
David
www.recordhandplanes.com