Thread: The Saw Report

To be more precise - at those prices - they are saws to drool over from a distance

I think you have said before (Chippy) that the #12s are or might be different more in the preparation (tensioning, polish, etc) of the saw blade rather than anything intrinsically superior about the metal ("London spring") they were made from. And having some D12s I certainly feel (in my amateur sort of way) that there is something extra to them. And I'm sure I have read it proposed that the D100 had a bit more attention paid to it than the regular D8 - which I would like to find out for myself.

Having said that, I have a D8 - it is a "Disston - Phila" medallion so not super early - that also has that super lightness and sound to it that the 12s have.
Annnd ... I have that #16 here that by all accounts should be a very nice saw indeed - but I think mine was standing behind the door when they were sprinkling the special saw-fairy juice

(I'm now really liking the more 'delicate' and flexible blades. I described one not that long ago as 'unusable' with a very flexible blade and big teeth ... but I've been using it quite a bit on odd pieces ... and tree-branches ... and I retract my previous statement)

That 120 saw ... the guy said he had sharpened it "in the usual manner" or words to that effect. I thought "what a waste" when read that
The guy that sold the D100 (Michael) really knows what he's about, and could do a 120 properly.
I'm very pleased to have picked up the S&J Mermaid saw that I did (don't know if you've read that thread) as it gives me - I think - some impression of what I might expect from a 120.

Originally Posted by ch!ppy

for any spelling errors please notify the internet spelling authorities WW and some others . for pedantic criticism, well, have fun

I wouldn't worry about spelling ... I've probably killed entire conversations without even a grammatical convolution
... just mental ones

Cheers,
Paul

I'm not sure if I've seen this before or not.

If I have it didn't sink in.

Veritas® Dovetail & Crosscut Saws - Lee Valley Tools





14o rake on the 'rip' saws.
15o rake and 15o fleam on the crosscut.
3 thou set (x2) on a 20 thou plate (15% of plate width)

My stereotype of rip and crosscut *handsaws* is 0-8 degree rake ripsaws and crosscuts with ? rake and 30-45 degrees of fleam.

I keep picturing crosscuts like this (9c), but I know I'm forgetting some of the discussions and info that have come forth previously. I need to dig back and review it.



Paul

I am quite warming to this guy ... Bob Rozaieski ... http://logancabinetshoppe.com

Sharpening saws video: Watch Episode # 7: Sharpening Part 3 | Hand Tools & Techniques Episodes | Blip

Also: (haven't watched yet)

Sharpening Chisels: Watch Episode # 6: Sharpening Part 2 | Hand Tools & Techniques Episodes | Blip

Sharpening Plane Blades: Watch Episode # 5: Sharpening Part 1 | Hand Tools & Techniques Episodes | Blip

Paul Sellers - ad video - a bit showy but I noticed the hammer setting of teeth ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tatGEhhf1NI

_hammer set 1.jpg _hammer set 1b.jpg _hammer set 1c.jpg

UK Woodworker mag - December 1967

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Earlier in this thread I have mentioned Michael Merlo and that his sharpened saws are popular ...

Make sure you are sitting down ... ...

19TH CENTURY CLASSIC: SPEAR & JACKSON 26" 10PT CROSSCUT SAW - HAND SHARPENED | eBay

He has his own style .. ...

"I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE CLEAR ON ONE THING BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS SAW: THOSE OF YOU WHO FEEL THE NEED TO OWN A VINTAGE SAW THAT HAS HAD THE PLATE JUDICIOUSLY SANDED THROUGH THE VARIOUS GRITS AND HAD THE HANDLE REFINISHED WITH 12 COATS OF GARNET SHELLAC AND 3 COATS OF LACQUER, WAXED AND BUFFED OUT WITH POLISHED "SAFETY REFLECTOR" SCREWS TO OPTIMIZE IT'S PERFORMANCE ..... DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY HERE - IT WOULD BE BETTER SPENT ON A FACELIFT, LIPOSUCTION AND BREAST AUGMENTATION .... FOR YOUR 85 YEAR OLD GRANDMOTHER ... AS THIS WILL PRODUCE AN IDENTICAL EFFECT ON HER PERFORMANCE.

OH MY.

FOR THE REST OF YOU ....

THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SAWS EVER MADE ... BY ANYONE ... ANYWHERE. IT IS FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION - AND IS IN REMARKABLE CONDITION. I CANNOT RECALL THE MODEL OF THIS SAW AND IT IS NOT INDICATED ... I HAVE OTHERS BUT CANNOT ACCESS THEM RIGHT NOW WITHOUT TURNING MY WORLD UPSIDE DOWN - FOR SOME REASON THE NO.25 SEEMS TO BE STUCK IN MY HEAD .... RIGHT NEXT TO THE KNUCKLES ..... BUT THEN I AM ALWAYS WRONG.

NEVERMIND.

THIS SAW IS, OF COURSE, METICULOUSLY TUNED IN THE WAY YOU'VE COME TO EXPECT A SAW FROM ME AND CARRIES MY UNCONDITIONAL PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE: IT WILL BE THE BEST PERFORMING SAW YOU OWN OR YOU CAN RETURN IT FOR A REFUND INCLUDING ALL SHIPPING CHARGES.

GOOD - THAT'S DONE."



$1100. (!)

Two more in the ball-park ... Disston #16s ... 26" ... 8ppi crosscut sold for $240 ... 5ppi rip still going at $230-ish.

My attention was captured because the #16 should be among the "nicest" saws, and Chippy has expressed his appreciation of them previously.

The part of the descriptions that I particularly focussed on was the taper measurements.

Xcut : ".019-.031"
Rip : ".016-.036"

I have a #16 ... 26" but well reduced from sharpening - and its blade is a dead and stiff thing ... not "doi-ink"-ey like some of my better ones.
I measure it as .027-.036 along the top line, .033-.046 along the teeth.
Bear in mind that the tip is only about 16mm wide so the original tooth-line is long gone.
The #16 was sold from 1880 on ... my medallion puts it in the 1917- bracket, and they stopped production at 1928.

Disstonian website says:
The etch has the phrase "Thin Back" but there is no difference in the thickness of the back or the amount of taper to the blade. Like other full-sized Disston saws, the typical No. 16 saw is about .038" to .040" thick at the teeth and averages .032" at the center of the saw's back. Panel saws are .005" to .008" thinner than full-sized handsaws.

My measurements match that ballpark.

So ... I wonder if these could have been 'customed' ... or else they might be pre-1917.

Paul

Crosscut: DISSTON No. 16 8PT CROSSCUT SAW HAND SHARPENED | eBay
Rip: DISSTON No. 16 5PT RIP SAW HAND SHARPENED | eBay

they are among my favourite saws Paul, i'm not telling what my favourite saws are though

i'm not sure whether its very kind or wise to put up ebay listings, at least current ones, its paramount to free advertising (and i dont think that guy needs or deserves free advertising) and if someone was bidding on it you just invited a bunch of new people en mass into the auction that were otherwise unaware or not interested, if i was bidding on it i'm pretty sure i wouldn't be happy at least



cheers
chippy

Chippy, I get the general point, but I don't think anyone (I know) drops $250+ bucks on a handsaw on impulse.

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Also on the net ... interesting ...

Paul

Photoprint by U.S. Army Quartermaster Corps.

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The world is going a bit nuts, apparently ...

STANLEY 20" TOOLBOX SAW NO. 780 DISSTON. | eBay

STANLEY 20" TOOLBOX SAW NO. 780 DISSTON = $110.29

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2 STANLEY DISSTON TOOLBOX SAWS 16" NO. 780 SWEETHEART. | eBay

2 STANLEY DISSTON TOOLBOX SAWS 16" NO. 780 SWEETHEART = $179.03

Stan 780 x2 toolbox.jpg

I hope they work well, 'cos they're kinda ugly.

Then again ... my mum said the same thing about me ...

Finally ... I was intending to drop myself in it via this one ... but work interfered ...

I bought this today - on a suspicion -

parkstone 1.jpg parkstone 2.jpg

What suspicion ... ?

I could be wrong (that'd be a shock) ... have a google ...



Otherwise Parkstone Sawworks is just another brand I was ignorant of who occasionally made musical saws like everyone else ... which would be cool too.

Check out: http://www.sawlady.com/ (listen for the music clip)

then: musical saws

Cheers,
Paul

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Natalia 'Saw Lady' Paruz - musical saw player
Musical saw history:
This case containing a gold M&W & a Northern King Marshall Wells saws, with bow made of branches & black horse hair, Tonk rosin, mallet & performance poster (admission 40c is a clue to the year) belonged to sawist Cowboy Bill. It was found in the basement by an 80 year old lady in 2012, and it belonged to her grandfather.
Cowboy Bill left Washington to attend his mother's funeral in Montana. He returned 14 years later to his wife and the four daughters she raised by herself. The wife was not interested in him rejoining the family. He attempted suicide by a gunshot to the head & lived on in a very diminished capacity.
Sawists have always been a wild bunch

music saw case.jpg

Originally Posted by pmcgee

Chippy, I get the general point, but I don't think anyone (I know) drops $250+ bucks on a handsaw on impulse.

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Also on the net ... interesting ...

Paul

i guess my point isnt entirely about impulse buying, having said that though auctions thrive on impulse buyers and if you consider that you have referred to that seller a number of times in various posts praising his virtues and amazing saws , that might have been sold but now you put up his current auction with a couple of days to go, its practically a recommendation unintentional (on your part) no doubt but to some people it will be. if a forum member was bidding on it you just undermined them and widened the audience to other very possible buyers (after all it is a hand tool forum), and by the looks of it, many people on this forum buy hand tools, often! quite possibly on impulse, the amount of money doesn't necessarily inhibit that to the same degree for everyone (for you perhaps, but you cant speak for everyone else). i suppose i could ask would you put up a link to the auctions you are trying or hopeful to win? i would assume not, naturally it undermines your own interests. again just for the record i'm not bidding on that auction its just a matter of etiquette imo not to post ebay auctions or their pictures for that matter, (the pics have a copyright aspect to it as well! although etiquette is usually enough). i have no doubt your not intentionally advertising that seller , it just ends up that way (what about the dozens, hundreds or thousand other sellers of tools)..one has to wonder if everybody started putting links up to ebay auctions ended and current just how flooded the forum would get , we would look like an official ebay subsidiary, i suspect one reason why people dont is due to etiquette and posting other peoples pictures on a public forum without permission has always been dodgy or unacceptable..

anyway i dont mean to sound like i'm picking on you but i wonder if you couldn't have asked the same questions about these saws (type) without referring or putting a link to ebay or that seller



best
chippy