Thread: Saw Report - QLD

The saw pictured above and now below too cam up. It had no description other than it was a Simonds, but I spotted the $3.00 medallion. There were two possibilities. It could be a 60 series in a 28" length or another No.51. Either way I was in the market and ended up successful:

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It is a little hard to see but it has the "No set" instruction and once cleaned the "51" will be visible too

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Just a small difference with this one is the four saw screws instead of five in the first saw. I think they are the same length plate, but I will have to check that.

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Regards
Paul

This next Simonds is a No.97 from the Crescent Moon and Star period. I left the tooth protector on for the pix as it was so nicely presented.

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I already had a Simonds No.71, but this one came up in better condition. Presentation look familiar?

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The seller goes under the Topher, which is a contraction of Christopher from when a small boy and his siblings were unable to say the full name: It just stuck within his family and he adopted it for Ebay. He is a a retired carpenter and his saws come sharpened. Not only that he is one of the really genuine Ebay sellers and I can thoroughly recommend him. It is a delight to converse with him.

Regards
Paul

This next one is a little out of character and in the past I have maintained that it is not very collectible. However, if you read the Disstonian Institute descriptions you will see a brief reference to the modern D-100, which they liken to the Studebaker Avanti of hand saws. Well I quite liked the Avanti and particularly because it stepped outside the car mould of the day. So on an impulse I got this one. Quite a bit of cleaning required.

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It is a surprisingly large saw.

I don't know what the next saw is at all except that by the handle it is a "No.12 Lookalike." I need to get to the etch with a magnifier as there is an inscription, albeit faint. Really nice handle and the saw is deep. A 28" rip saw, it measures 7 3/4' at the heel.

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In the third pic I think I may be able to see the word lakeside. That rings a bell, but I will have to research (unless some kind soul does it for me.)

That will do for now. A little more to come yet.

Regards
Paul

Lakeside was a house brand for Montgomery Ward, Chicago, Il
Saws on page 969 & 970 of the 1916 catalogue....

https://archive.org/stream/MontgomeryWard1916/Montgomery%20Ward%201916#page/n969/

Aha!

Thanks Peter. I suspected a hardware store, but could not for the life of me remember any more than that. It looks like it could be the No.12 from the advertisement you posted.

In fact I would hazzard a guess that it is a re-badged Disston, particularly as they sold Disston saws too and most of their line seem to correspond with the equivalent Disston model. Very little subterfuge there.

Regards
Paul

I still have a few saws to post including a tale of woe (not everything is peaches here in the Sunshine State ). However I am too tired to wrestle with the pix after having worked on a portable shed today and a big day lined up tomorrow. Perhaps tomorrow evening if my welding goes well .

Regards
Paul

Cool saws, Paul. I especially like the first one.

As you may recall, I tend more toward the Disston range. I recently was bidding on an Acme 120. The bidding was up to $61, and I wanted to make sure I got it, as it was in good shape. I waited until ten seconds were on the clock, and I bid $127 (I wanted to have the upper hand on anyone who bid 125...). I would've probably paid more if given the opportunity, but I thought certainly that was enough.

The clock clicked down to zero with me as the high bidder, and it did it's little moment of loading that it does after the end of an auction. I was certain it would come back saying "You won the item", but instead, it showed that it had gotten away! Someone literally slipped a bid in so close to the end that it didn't even have time to display the change in price.

Disappointing to say the least... Crushing to be more precise.

Glad things came up well for you in your "last" round of American saws (like any of us are buying that...)

Cheers,
Luke

Don't trouble yourself about the Acme's Luke, they're really not very special unless you just have to have that giant etch.

Paul another great post,
And I appreciate the effort you go to educate us mere mortals.

Cheers Matt


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On the subject of the No.12s, Peter's extract from the catalogue showed a 112, which of course was the same saw as the No.12 but in a skewback. It was the high priced saw in that advertisement so more than likely the same quality as Disston's named saw.

Thanks you Matt for elevating me to the heavans. Trouble is, the higher the pedestal the easier it is to get knocked off. In fact I was musing as to who might be the god of handsaws. I think the leading contender could be the Norwegian god Thor or was he the patron saint of hammers? Just verifying my conjecture through our universal friend Google, I see that he had an affinity with Oak trees too. Nothing like a good wood hey?

I digress. Back on topic was this saw acquired almost for the medallions only, except that it is apparently another of those wretched No.12 lookalikes. My supposition was that somebody had replaced the saw screws with medallions and that is the most likely scenario. However, all the medallions are the same Warranted Superior style. Three small size that would have been on panel saws or back saws and the single large medallion in keeping with a full size hand saw. The rear side of the saw does show some discrepancy with the holes in that they look as if they have had a larger screw at some time.

It does have a tiny nib quite out of keeping with a saw of this size: It may be the steroids. It also has a dental problem, which I hate as that means a mountain of filing to get back to a good tooth line. Even if I had a retoother I probably would find that difficult to use as being a progressive tooth saw it had the first two inches at 6ppi, the next two at 5 1/2ppi and finally 5ppi.

Of course the real excitement with these saws comes when you clean off that crud, euphemistically described as patina, and all the secrets are revealed. The etch is all important. I mean to say, how can you invite a person to see your etchings and the saw plate is bare. You feel like a real con and I don't like to think what they think.

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So, the moment you have all been waiting for:

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Nothing.

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Absolutely #$%^&*g nothing.

You can't win them all .

Regards
Paul

PS. This post could be the sawyers version of a shaggy dog story .

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

This next Simonds is a No.97 from the Crescent Moon and Star period.

Anyone know the significance of the Crescent Moon and Star? I ask because a Mathieson & Son wooden plane that I recently bought has a very similar symbol...

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

On the subject of the No.12s, Peter's extract from the catalogue showed a 112, which of course was the same saw as the No.12 but in a skewback. It was the high priced saw in that advertisement so more than likely the same quality as Disston's named saw.

Thanks you Matt for elevating me to the heavans. Trouble is, the higher the pedestal the easier it is to get knocked off. In fact I was musing as to who might be the god of handsaws. I think the leading contender could be the Norwegian god Thor or was he the patron saint of hammers? Just verifying my conjecture through our universal friend Google, I see that he had an affinity with Oak trees too. Nothing like a good wood hey?

I digress. Back on topic was this saw acquired almost for the medallions only, except that it is apparently another of those wretched No.12 lookalikes. My supposition was that somebody had replaced the saw screws with medallions and that is the most likely scenario. However, all the medallions are the same Warranted Superior style. Three small size that would have been on panel saws or back saws and the single large medallion in keeping with a full size hand saw. The rear side of the saw does show some discrepancy with the holes in that they look as if they have had a larger screw at some time.

It does have a tiny nib quite out of keeping with a saw of this size: It may be the steroids. It also has a dental problem, which I hate as that means a mountain of filing to get back to a good tooth line. Even if I had a retoother I probably would find that difficult to use as being a progressive tooth saw it had the first two inches at 6ppi, the next two at 5 1/2ppi and finally 5ppi.

Of course the real excitement with these saws comes when you clean off that crud, euphemistically described as patina, and all the secrets are revealed. The etch is all important. I mean to say, how can you invite a person to see your etchings and the saw plate is bare. You feel like a real con and I don't like to think what they think.

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So, the moment you have all been waiting for:

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Nothing.

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Absolutely #$%^&*g nothing.

You can't win them all .

Regards
Paul

PS. This post could be the sawyers version of a shaggy dog story .

Paul,
I really think your parents got it all wrong ,I'm very sorry.
Considering your other thread regarding a bashing instrument made of that most humble material steel.
Maybe ,you should consider a visit to a government office somewhere , and have your name changed to Hephaestus.
Hope this is not taken has offensive.

Cheers Matt ,not worthy

Tccp123

No idea of the significance but a very good question. Having regard to the reticence of Simonds to volunteer any information it is going to be a difficult task.

Regards
Paul

I should have mentioned that the Norwegian god's name is best pronounced with a distinct lisp.

There is a story about Thor deciding to have some fun with the mortals and visits a lady of the night, who just happens to have a lisp. As you might imagine, he is able to perform at a higher level than mere men and stays for the night. When he returns to Mount Olympus the other gods berate him for taking unfair advantage of an unsuspecting mortal. He is shamed and decides he will return and apologise. He travels back and knocks on the door. When the lady in question opens it he announces in a booming voice, "I am sorry for my behaviour last night but I'm Thor."

She replies in a disdainful voice " You're sore (lisp it), what do you think I am?"

Any how this post is primarily to appease Luke the Disston fan. I have taken a liking to the twenty series of saws introduced in 1911. The D23s (later the D-23) are ubiquitous and in truth a really good saw falling between the D8 and the No.12 in the price range. The D23 had three stable mates, the D20, D21 and D22. The last two were regular size saws (skewback and straight back respectively) and not made for very long at all. The D20, which is a narrow skewback, lasted until the 1928 rationalisation. Just recently a few examples cropped up. This first one is an 11ppi, 20" panel saw:

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Note the panel saw only has four saw screws. The more I look at the handle of the 20 series, the more I think it may have been directly aimed at Atkins' "Perfection" handles, which for me are probably the most comfortable handles I have used, but that is a very subjective observation. I do have another D20, which is a 26" 9ppi saw, but I don't seem to have a picture of it .

Instead this is a Simonds No.371 just to prove I have not become a complete devotee of Henry Disston.

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It is a small panel saw of 18'' and 11ppi. The unusual feature of this one is the $1.60 medallion. The catalogues don't mention this price as they only speak of $1.75 to $3.00. Only three saw screws on this little number. Perhaps it was too small to rate a mention.

Ok, Simonds interlude over and back to a Disston D115 22" panel saw with 11ppi. The full sized saws come up commonly, although many more post 1928 than before. This one is from the early era with the saw screw pattern reminiscent of the D8 ( after 1928 the handle was virtually identical to the D-23). The timber was different however and it was the exotic Brazilian Rosewood. This one has lost some of it's top horn and I will have trouble matching that. I use some New Guinea Rosewood, but really it is very different and I have to fudge the colouring. I like this one.

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Luke. Have I redeemed myself in your eyes?

Regards
Paul