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    Question Vertias BUS v Veritas LAJ v LN#62?

    G'day,

    I've searched and I've read but I'm still as ever.

    I'm about to embark on a big project which will be a 2 x bookcase/cabinet units using spotted gum. I'm looking at either the Veritas Low Angle Jack Plane as it seemed to read in the C/Tec cattledog as the all rounder of the Veritas planes on offer, then I mulled over the Lie-Nielsen #62 Bench Plane seeing as it's in the same price bracket, and then the Veritas Low Angle Smoothing Plane.

    Client has given the okay to buy whatever hardware required (within reason) as I'm giving my time for nix. So I'm shopping.

    I'm only looking for one plane, not two or three, just one that'll do the job. Is there a definitive answer as which way to go.
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    I'd love to advise you Waldo but the closest to any of those I have is the LN164 which is a great plane, just like the rest of my planes but they all have their own applications especially when they are sharp.
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    Waldo - have you ever taken a low angle plane to Spotted gum? I presume you are talking about Corymbia maculata? If it's anything like the stuff that grows round here, I think you are in for a very frustrating time, unless you put a very steep bevel on the blade, i.e. convert it to a high-angle plane. In which case, why not go to a HNT straight away?

    Grinding S.G. into shape with hand tools is not my idea of time well spent. I love my planes, but there are some jobs that you are meant to burn electrons on, IMO! If I had to work the stuff to a fine finish, I'd be thinking about doing all sizing with a decent planer/jointer & cleaning up with a scraping plane.

    Just my bias......
    IW

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    This subject has come up a couple of times in my short life on these forums. The answers are very simple IMHO. I own a number of planes so learn from my mistakes.

    IanW is absolutely right, if you want to tame spotted Gum or any other local woods, Terry Gordons planes are streets ahead of the competition, mainly because of their high pitch and the qualtiy of their blades.

    If you going to buy only one plane and you prefer metal bodies planes, my LN 5 1/2, for me, is an absolute all rounder. It can smooth, it can flatten and you can open the mouth to hog off large amounts of wood.

    If you are hell bent on BU planes, then Veritas planes would be my choice. The Jack plane has flat sides and you would be able to use it on shooting boards as well. But make sure you buy all their blades which come with different bevels. Again IanW is right, with a BU on Spotted Gum you will get tear out without the right angled bevel. Don't get me wrong, I love my BU planes. but not on Aussie Hardwwods.

    Hope that helps.

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    Thanks for the replies fellas. I had wondered about S/Gum and planes. I might just keep to burning the electrons with the 15" thicknesser and HSS blades and finish with my Metabo Duo down to 1500 grit.

    I so wanted a Vertias or LN, seemed possibly to be the right tool for the job, but with advice much more learned than myself I might just keep the pennies and find out how much a Domino is 'cause I need one of them too. Could go GMC ( : ) or Triton but if a job's worth doing...

    ( maybe a DeWalt)

    Next time.
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    $1,391 for a Domino DeWalt is looking better for the money. I mean Festool'd be nice but I knew it'd be around $1K but.
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    Waldo

    If you go for the LV BU planes you can buy the high angle blades to suit. A good allrounder would be the LV Jack with both high and low angle blades. The decision on which one to buy also depends on what other planes you already have.

    LV use the same blades on the Jack BU Smoother and Jointer so you only need to buy one high angle blade to use in all three planes.

    Buy a LV even if you dont use it on this project. You wont regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mat View Post
    Waldo

    If you go for the LV BU planes you can buy the high angle blades to suit. A good allrounder would be the LV Jack with both high and low angle blades. The decision on which one to buy also depends on what other planes you already have.

    LV use the same blades on the Jack BU Smoother and Jointer so you only need to buy one high angle blade to use in all three planes.

    Buy a LV even if you dont use it on this project. You wont regret it.
    I agree, I have the BU Jack with an additional high angle blade in A2 it is a fantastic all rounder. I still use a smoother for finishing but for most jobs its the first plane I reach for. Mind you I find it is a bit hefty at times if you are doing a lot of continuous work then the HNT is the go.

    Its like clamps you can never have too many.

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    Good grief guys, have my posts over the years been forgotten?

    The Veritas BUS is the best smoother outside of super expensive smoothers that you will ever get to use on hard, interlinked Australian timber. A categorical statement. I can say this since I have used (and possibly even own) all the competition.

    Keep in mind that "low angle" as in LA Jack, does not mean a plane with a low angle of attack (unless you wish to do so, and I'd only do so for end grain on the shooting board). No, these planes have a super ability to set up for whatever cutting angle you want. I'd recommend 60 and above degrees (I use 62 degrees).

    Go here ..

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRev...0Smoother.html

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRev...%20plane..html

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRev...g%20Plane.html

    and

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Woodwor...aneBlades.html

    The LA Smoother is a great plane and a wonderful alrounder for small work, while the LA Jack is better suited for larger scale work.

    The Veritas LAS is essentially the same plane as the LN #164. The Veritas gets the nod owing to easier blade adjustment and removal/set up.

    The Veritas LAJ is not essentially the same as the LN #62, being larger. The LAJ has greater heft and presence on hardwood.

    Rule of Thumb: go to LN for bevel down planes and to LV/Veritas for bevel up planes. For really gnarly Australian timbers my choice is a BU plane as they have the high angles we seek. If you want a high angle BD plane, then consider HNT Gordon.

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRev...g%20Plane.html

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Good grief guys, have my posts over the years been forgotten?
    wondered how long it would take for it to get the better of Derek.

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    G'day Derek,

    Thanks for the comments. Not forgotten, I found a link to a review you did on the Veritas BUS, but it was dead. Just had a quick look over the first link you gave and with the Veritas BUS with a 50º blade should do the job on the s/gum? Looks like it's back on the shopping list.
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    Hi Waldo,

    I built a coffee table out of spotted gum - see here:

    http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...628#post564628

    It is very hard stuff and heavy, but looks great. Cutting m&t joints required sharpening of the mortise chisel every joint...

    I bought a LV LA Jack with the high angle A2 blade. It had no problems with the timber, but you needed to make sure it was mirror sharp. I was very impressed, and would recommend it to anyone. Planing softwoods is a joy with this thing. I would never describe planing hardwoods as a joy to anyone.

    I understand the HNT gordon planes are also exceptional - I have one on my list in the next year or so.

    Hope this helps.

    Tom

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    G'day Tom,

    Thanks for that, on seeing the coffee table I remember it now. Very nice and simple lines. And reading that a VEritas LAJ with a high angle blade was your plane of use.

    I'm leaning now towards the BUS after Derek's review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldo View Post
    I'm leaning now towards the BUS after Derek's review.
    but shooting boards are a truely useful accessory.
    how useful you wont ever know till you use one
    if you even think you might want to use the plane on a shooting board, get the LA jack for the right-angle sides


    ian

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    Guys, Waldo is looking for only 1 plane. I too think my Veritas BUS is superb, but then again so is my LN 4 1/2, I can't seperate the 2. HNT Gordon Planes are the very best for our difficult woods and when tearout occurs the HNT's should be your first choice.

    BUT, if I were to buy only one plane, surely a 5 or a 5 1/2 should be my first choice. I love my LN 5 1/2. I can use it in almost any situation, roughing, flattening, smoothing. Isn't that why they call them Jack planes (Jack of all trades)? The advantage over the HNT is that you can open the throat when you want to hog off plenty of wood. And they perform quite nicely on shooting boards as well. For me it's the one plane that covers all situations.

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