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    Default Old saws, timber plane etc

    Maybe I should add some pics for this thread - in the morning when it's light outside maybe.

    I'm going thru stuff in my shed that needs to be either sold off, turfed out, or restored and kept for my later use or passed on or something.

    I have ended up with 3 "old" (each around 100 years) carpenters tools chests, that belonged variously to grandfathers and uncles. In them are remnants of various old hand tools... they were common carpenters tradesmen's tools of the day.

    I haven't looked at them too close yet - the old chests are pretty beat up as you can imagine after 100 years, they SEEM to be made of a pine (no knots but)... and have the dovetailed corners etc atypical of the era. They might WELL have been made in WA's old railway workshops BEFORE they were WAGR - i.e. the old Midland Rail workshops, that later became the WAGR workshops...back around the turn of last century i.e early 1900's

    Anyway - They are I think painted some kind of black japan finish outside and in really sad condition...

    I am loath to cut them up to salvage the timber, because of their family history connections BUT - I don't want 3 of the damn things taking up space in my shed either, coz frankly I need the space.

    I think many of the tools have been pilfered by family before me (dad was a carpenter joiner for e.g. and would have picked and chosen his desires out of them all I'm guessing).

    There's an old hand saw or two... but the handles are pretty old and in bad shape - needing replacement. It LOOKS like the saw blades were coated with some type of old black vegetable based cart axle grease or something when they were packed away originally... so there is rust on the blades but not heavy - just dark..

    Lots of the slotted brass nuts etc are missing the back half... I don't THINK they are fancy Philadelphia Disstons or anything - coz they are missing any type of medallion that would identify them as such and the blades are too old and thick with grease to be able to read anything about the maker on them.

    I SHOULD restore and keep a lot of them....because of the history and family connections BUT... I really don't know that I'd use them if i did - or if I have the time and inclination to do a proper job of it.

    Likewise the old boxes...they came in...
    The hardware is old and rusty on the boxes (But might have been made in the workshops by hand).

    I don't feel inclined to pay storage room rent to keep this old stuff... they have been down thru 3 generations of my family, I'm the last with any wood working bent (Well my eldest son does a little for his work occasionally when they need it - when he's not out planting trees in winter or fighting fires in summer) and I really need the space in my shed.... to do wood work - not store old crap that no one cares about any more!. That's the very reason my sheds chockers...to the point I don't have enough space to work! (i.e storing stuff that should have been turfed out years ago).

    I'm having that dilemma - I have hung onto this stuff for so long now... and am thinking should I try and sell it off to someone who will appreciate and maybe restore it, or turf it out in a skip bin...

    One mans trash is another mans treasure... there's all manner of old auger brace bits, that I will never use... in this lifetime... I'd sooner grab a electric drill or battery drill...I'm just not a old hand tools aficionado I guess. I understand that there are these type people are out there... I can see many of these ending up at some wood show at the antique tools stands being rummaged thru and sold for $5....

    It's bugging me what I should do with this stuff - one can't go thru life with too much baggage... if you let old stuff go - well then there's room for new stuff to come into your life...

    Some of the tools might look OK if restored say and hung up or displayed on the shed walls (once I line them)... as curio's....from the past, for people to gawk at (and gather dust)...but I truthfully would sooner...have the wall space for tools I use.

    I know the old timber plane might bring maybe $20 or $30, as its in useable condition still, but I am not about to start using it any time soon...

    Some of the tools I don't even know what they are or what they were used for even (leather punches etc)...

    Should I post it up on the auctions board for those who like this old stuff maybe?...

    I just want the useable space....that these 3 old chests are occupying at present.

    Just seems a shame to be responsible for destroying some of this states old trades history... but I don't want to be the one who has to store them.. Every 10 years or so I look inside them and think - heck I should just throw this lot out - then I close the lids - put them aside for another 10 years to avoid making the decision, and 10 years later the problems still there....

    I need to deal with the baggage issue.... and bring myself to DO SOMETHING with them.

    I feel like a traitor to my family and ancestors a little.. I am thinking these uncles and grandfathers would likely roll in their graves, if they knew what I'm contemplating doing with their old relics I guess. I've hung onto them now for 30+ years out of such feelings of guilt/loyalty to family.

    What do you guys do in such a situation?... should I pass the problem along to my eldest son - and let him deal with it, perhaps when I am gone - or get shot of them now, and solve the problem once and for all?

    In 10 years time, am I going to catch the "antique tools restoration/collection bug, and kick my own ass with both feet till my nose bleeds, for tossing all this old crap in a skip bin in a fit of pique now?

    I hate this procrastination....

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    Do what you want but waxing philosophical isn't going to shine anything.........


    If it were me*, I'd pick the tidiest examples of the tools and the best tool box and dispose of the rest.....you probably don't need three heirloom tool boxes to pass on to future generations.


    *I'd be ecstatic, I have nothing from any of the tradespeople the previous generations of our family.
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    You might be sitting on a motherload of wonderful old tools that would delight many people here. Yes even the boxes might make grown men cry! Don't throw anything away, at the very least you should offer it to someone who appreciates it, maybe trade for something that you would use. Take some pictures and share them with us, they may not look like much to you but you might have exactly what someone is looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanz View Post
    Do what you want but waxing philosophical isn't going to shine anything.........


    If it were me*, I'd pick the tidiest examples of the tools and the best tool box and dispose of the rest.....you probably don't need three heirloom tool boxes to pass on to future generations.


    *I'd be ecstatic, I have nothing from any of the tradespeople the previous generations of our family.
    I value the few tools that I have from my carpenter father-in-law and think of him whenever I pick up any of them to use. We never had a cross word in the 45+ years I knew him and I was always treated as a son.
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    Default OK heres a quick sort thru.

    Heres a quick sort thru & pics.


    2 of the 3 tools chests.


    Quick look inside the Black one


    Contents of 1


    Contents of the other.

    There's a old endless chain in one, but it's too heavy, old, and rusty & awkward with the long chains etc, to get out by myself.

    I've a 3rd chest in the garden shed - Don't think there's much in it - and maybe some white ant / rot damage to the bottom by now most likely.

    I'll drag that out next - they all have to go.... I just can't hang on to this crap... honestly it depresses me to look at it.

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    A Disston D8 thumbhole about 4.5 PPI, a Disston D8 crosscut about a 6 or 7 PPI, a backsaw that is worth checking out, 2 nice hand vises, some antique oil cans, some of those wrenches could be collectors items, and the boxes are fantastic! Chisels are worth looking at too. Some of that stuff is not 100 years old, you can probably throw the chainsaw chains (blades?) away. Looks like some kind of shave or grooving tool too. Good stuff!!
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    The lid of that box is made to hold 2 hand saws, I would like to see the inside of the other one please.

    That panel saw might be a Keystone K-3.
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    The inside of the 2nd (brown) one is just Plain Jane, no shelves etc just a smooth walled Oregon box it seems.

    Didn't realize they were Disstons... so maybe I should restore them?

    I can see all the Disston medallions are long gone...

    Yes the chainsaw gear was mine - (thrown in there when moving) heck the old "can't hook" for rolling logs, I was still using that at our sawmill until 2005.

    The oil cans were on my sharpening bench for 20 years in the factory...

    The top black box appears to be dovetailed Oregon pine.

    The bottom (brown) one?...Likewise...


    Inside of 2nd box (brown one)


    3rd Box/Chest


    Inside of 3rd box.

    3rd one also oregon it seems from the inside - it still has its lock and key of all things.

    You can see evidence of some kind of insect attack on just the floor boards of the 3rd box - apparently not termites - maybe some kind of lyctus borer or something - not sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timless Timber View Post
    In 10 years time, am I going to catch the "antique tools restoration/collection bug, and kick my own ass with both feet till my nose bleeds, for tossing all this old crap in a skip bin in a fit of pique now?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seanz
    If it were me, I'd pick the tidiest examples of the tools and the best tool box and dispose of the rest..
    What he says.

    If you really do want to get rid of the lot, there are a few pieces that fellow forumites would want - the plane, the saws, the auger bits, the chisels, the red handled screwdriver, the oil cans, blade from a sliding bevel, pincers, etc. Maybe offer them to local members?

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Hey TT ... if you're ever passing by armadale ...

    The saws could be made quite respectable - not "restored" - in 30-60 minutes ... https://www.woodworkforums.com/f163/p...6/#post1695611

    The thumbhole ripsaw handle (at least) is probably very nice wood that would benefit from a bit of papering back.
    It could be beech or apple.

    Possibly the others too ... https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/c...3/#post1600936

    If you want to deal with the public, the chests would be a hit on gumtree surely.
    (Otherwise drop them here until you want them back again. )

    I don't think you have to worry too much about chucking out some stuff - I think our predecessors were often pretty brutally practical - if you can think of what they would value and keep then you'd be doing ok I reckon.

    There's the Handtool Preservation Society ... they'd probably take donations ... or maybe put it to one of their sale days for you??

    Best of luck with it all,
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    I found the other half of that sliding bevel in the 2nd box but after I'd already taken the photo of the blade.

    That sounds like a plan... I would like to see them go to a good home where someone will restore and use them.... new hand saws these days are ~$20 odd at Bunnings, I'm not likely to be using an old rip saw... etc I'm too lazy when theres power saws with tungsten teeth etc handy, a cheap set of new saws from Bunnings hung on the wall for the odd time I need one (somewhere a circular won't get in)... is all i need.

    Yes I love to see the fancy ones.. with brass fittings and polished wooden handles, and in time maybe I'll source such tools... just for the joy of owning them, right now I am desperate for space to work in the shed & the chests with those old tools... I've been hanging onto them too long.

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    I'd love one of the old tool chests and I am sure there would be many a willing taker local to you. Just out of curiosity did they have jaffal irons 100 years ago???? As you can see there is already interest piqued in the tools.
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    Not Jaffle Irons with plastic handles they didn't! I remember that one from when I was a kid... used it to make breakfast up at Mt Magnet on a prospecting trip from memory....(grandfather had a lease on a 'tantalite' sp? mine out of Meekatharra way back when it was used to make nose cones on rockets for re entry to the atmosphere). I guess the Jaffle Iron got thrown in the trunk when we moved, along with myriads of other more modern stuff out of the shed on the farm.
    Damn Jaffle iron while not a century old is at least as old as me... (at more than half a century).
    I wonder of they still make em? (Jaffle Irons).
    They probably come in a 6 Jaffle combo with their own gas ring at Bunnings, for $50 direct from China!

    Another zillion dollar idea - direct to you for free, from us here at "head in the clouds - ass in the gutter R us enterprises inc" of similar caliber as "baitrack for men - spray on deodorant, (Smells like dead fish - after a night out on the ran tan on the town with the ladies you come home smelling of cheap perfume, beer and cigar smoke with lipstick on your collar, just reach for the glovebox, and remove can of "baitrack for men" and spray liberally under each arm - when you go inside and the missus says "where have you been all night until 4 am in the morning", you tell the truth and say "out on the town with the boys cheap liquor and even cheaper wimmins" etc and she says "don't lie to me, you've been fishing all night again with ya scaley mates coz ya stink like bait!" - and not to forget the ever loving "scrotum scratchers undies" (yep - the ones with scotch brite pads sewn into the crutch and suspenders attached - so you can rearrange and scratch 'the wedding tackle' unnoticed in public, by just pushing ya thumbs under the elastic of your suspenders!).

    I tell you, I will be able to retire on all the good inventions I've dreamed up if just ONE takes off!


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