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13th December 2023, 07:15 PM #1
Stanley No.5. What era?
This is going to sound a little strange, but I went looking for a skew rebate plane and I did find two old woodies, but minus the blades which significantly limited the use! However, in the course of my search I found a Stanley No.5 and I didn't know I had that. I was going to say I have no idea where I bought it, but as I am typing I think it was from a garage sale in town. What reminded me was that the gentlemen was selling his house and generally selling up prior to moving, but SHMBO went there today for an Xmas lunch hosted by the new owner.
So it dawned on me that this is where I acquired it and by the sticker that was still on the side, I paid $10 for it. It looked to have a rather large clearance at the mouth, but it transpired that was because the chip breaker had been put on the wrong side of the blade making it a bevel up affair. When corrected the mouth seemed very passable.
I was interested to know the vintage and I did use the sticky thread in an attempt to identify the era. There is only a single patent stamped behind the frog (April 1910) and there is no rim below the front knob so I deduced it is a Type 13 probably from 1925 as the lever cap is machined, but not nickel plated. There are no stamps on the lateral adjuster. The model number is at the heel.
Generally the plane is without obvious damage except there is a portion broken off the front knob at the bottom. I think the knob and tote are Rosewood. I did sand off the front knob, but it seems rather chalky (reddish chalky). Never having worked Rosewood I was not sure what to expect. I did read that later on unspecified hardwood coloured red was substituted. The tool has quite a lot of greasy gunk over it but should clean off.
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I am well out of my depth with hand planes. Have I got the dating correct?
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PaulBushmiller;
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13th December 2023, 07:35 PM #2
I agree Paul, type 13. The knob is rosewood but I'm not sure about the tote
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13th December 2023, 07:44 PM #3
Thanks Mic
It also has the larger adjuster for the blade. I forgot to mention that before.
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PaulBushmiller;
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13th December 2023, 08:08 PM #4
Agreed; it’s a Type 13 “Sweetheart” circa 1925-1928.
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13th December 2023, 08:28 PM #5
To the all knowing ones, does Paul’s plane have a patent date stamped in the brass adjustment wheel, or is that a Type 11,
I think it’s the Type 11, tho I’m happy to be corrected before the end of the year, the corrections re set too zero 1 January.
Paul if your plane does have them you will need too clean the inside of the wheel, very well too see them.
Cheers Matt.
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13th December 2023, 08:42 PM #6
Matt
I don't think the Type 11 had the larger, 1.25", blade adjuster. This is some info from the dating site for a Type 11:
" Type 11. Planes made by Stanley 1910-1918.
- All of the features of the previous, except:
- APR-19-10 patent date appears with the others patent dates cast behind the frog.
- A new trademark is adopted, where "STANLEY" "NEW BRITAIN" "CONN." "U.S.A." forms a v-shaped logo.
Click here to go the Plane Feature Timeline for this type."
My plane only has a single stamp and none that other gubbins in a "V" shaped logo.
Regards
paulBushmiller;
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13th December 2023, 08:49 PM #7
Paul,
I use this site
What Year And Type? Stanley Bailey Hand Planes: Types 11 And 12
Cheers Matt.
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13th December 2023, 09:29 PM #8
Now you have got me curious to date Dad's Stanley #5.
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14th December 2023, 06:01 AM #9
I have found this calculator to be quick and easy
How To Identify Stanley Hand Plane Age And Type (Type Study Tool) | Wood And Shop
Just scroll down the page a bit until you get to the question of how many patent dates are behind the frog, tap the number for your plane, and go from there. It keeps asking simple questions until it arrives at your plane type.
I didn’t do it for your plane Paul, but I suspect you are right with type 13.Brad.
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14th December 2023, 08:30 AM #10
I ran the numbers through Brad's link, which in fact is the same as Matt's link (Matt had jumped a step so it looked different at first glance, but it was the same site). All of the links question as their first step the number of patents behind the frog. With my plane there is only one. It could be a 13 or a 14. This leads to the question does the front knob have a cast ring around the base in which the knob sits. My plane does not have that making it an earlier model.
Hence my plane is a Type 13. QED
I read that the ring around the base was to give extra strength or rather support (the timber still has the same strength ) as they were prone to damaging, which is exactly what has happened to the knob (it is a tall version) on my example.
Thank you everybody for checking out my supposition.
Regards
Paul
PS: Matt, the Type 11 and 12 planes had three patent dates behind the frog. Otherwise, they were very similar. I think the larger 1¼" adjuster was introduced with the Type 12.Bushmiller;
"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!"
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14th December 2023, 09:08 AM #11
Yep, I've got a type eleven 5 1/2 with the 3 patent dates & small brass adjuster knob - I think the slightly larger knob on the later types is definitely an improvement unlike some of the more dubious 'improvements' Stanley made as the years rolled by. What I particularly like about those earlier planes is they had a somewhat lighter casting. It makes them a little more delicate & not so good for those who like throwing their planes on cement floors, but I find that small difference in weight adds up to a big difference in a long planing session.
Michael, I'd make a small bet the handle/tote is a rosewood (i.e. a Dalbergia of some sort) as well - the colours & grain patterns of old rosewood handles can be quite variable, but as I understand it, it was the only wood used on US planes up 'til WW2. Of course, handles are easily replaced, but that one does look like it matches the plane's age. The knob looks like it could be repaired pretty cleanly if you have any rosewood kicking about (I might have a little bit that would be a reasonable match if you want to try). The ring cast on the sole is supposed to prevent the breakage noted on this plane - I think it works 'cos I've seen quite a few old 'low' knobs from 'rimless' planes busted around the edges like that, but can't recall having seen any broken ones on planes with the ring.
That's potentially a very nice plane you have there Paul - I'd happily offer you $20 for it (c'mon, that's 100% profit! ).
Cheers,IW
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14th December 2023, 09:29 AM #12
Paul it will come up nicely. I restored a type 13 as a prize for a comp on here way back. Was a #6 though. Ian's right, the casting is much finer on these.
The #6 has landed
here's some of the photos lost from that thread
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14th December 2023, 10:35 AM #13
Types 13/14 are generally considered to be the best type for Stanley bench planes. They have all the best features and the degradation in production quality began shortly afterwards. Plus folks really dig the Sweetheart logo on the iron.
Personally I prefer the low-knob and smaller brass adjuster of a Type 11.
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14th December 2023, 11:06 AM #14
Ian
Thanks for the extra info and the offer of the Rosewood. I know I don't have any but the broken portion can probably be positioned towards the rear and I may see first if I can repair with a similar colour timber. I am not overly precious about the plane although it is beginning to grow on me.
As for the 100% profit, I will have to think on that one . I don't think things are that tight yet.
Regards
PaulBushmiller;
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14th December 2023, 11:08 AM #15
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