Thread: Stanley Bench Planes Replacement Blade Bulk Order

Originally Posted by thumbsucker

Lets play nicely now, I do not want the moderator to step in just because some people cannot stop themselves getting hot under the collar and ruining this for everyone. People are going to have different opinions, just try not to let it get to you.

Well I myself am hot under the collar for two reasons, one, the misinformation that is being offered up and two, your belligerent attitude when I first tried to sort out this cap iron issue. Seems now I've been vindicated on this point, but do I hear an apology for your attitude and suggestion that I should withdraw from the order? When opinions are wrong, they deserve to be shown as such. Here's an example:

Originally Posted by jmk89

1. As far as I can see the only relevant geometrical change to a Bailey pattern plane from #4 to #8 (including the 1/2s) is that the body and blade and hence cap iron are wider.

and here's my reply:
Stanley #6 and 4 1/2
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 95.6mm
Stanley #5
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 92.4mm
Stanley #3
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 90.2mm

That's it for me, the relief valve has popped and I'll not reply again. I can be pm'ed for any info or when the blades are ready.

Cheers
Michael

Hi Helmut,

Finally found my wooden planes - none of them are the widths we are getting made having said that I will order the following for when I get around to making some

2 ea 40 x 4 x 120
2 ea 50 x 6 x 150 &
2 ea 60 x 6 x 180

Thanks

Brendan

Oops, almost forgot, I don't want to open a can of worms and get flamed, but can anyone tell me if the Stanley blades fit the equivalent # Falcon Pope? I am a novice at planes and do not have any on hand to check.

I have some 'restoration' ones on the way up from Victoria and thought I might add a few to my order if they are OK (or even close).

Regards

Brendan

Originally Posted by SilverSniper

3 3/4" or 95.25 mm (see my earlier posts for discussion of this measurement)

The Stanley #7 that I compared it against in photo 3 above was 96.2 mm.

I've got a 2" and a 2 3/8" Brand new Hock chip breakers in front of me now . The 2" is 92mm from the bottom of the yoke hole and the 2 3/8 is 95.5mm. They fit and adjust OK in 4, 4 1/2, 5, 5 1/2 and 6. Phil

Originally Posted by Woodwould

If that's the case, then, other than width differences, will the chipbreakers not all share the same relative slot and hole dimensions then too?

Hi Woodwould, the Clifton measurements here http://www.fine-tools.com/clift.htm should give you a rough guide as to how and where the variations between the chipbreaker measurements will vary through the plane sizes. (these are clifton measurements for their weird two-piece cap irons. I wouldn't use them for this order).

(Note that the length from the bottom of the yoke slot to the centre of the threaded screw adjustment hole is always 15mm, you would expect that this would be the same for Stanley's)

Originally Posted by mic-d

Well I myself am hot under the collar for two reasons, one, the misinformation that is being offered up and two, your belligerent attitude when I first tried to sort out this cap iron issue. Seems now I've been vindicated on this point, but do I hear an apology for your attitude and suggestion that I should withdraw from the order? When opinions are wrong, they deserve to be shown as such. Here's an example:




and here's my reply:
Stanley #6 and 4 1/2
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 95.6mm
Stanley #5
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 92.4mm
Stanley #3
bottom of CB to bottom of YH 90.2mm

That's it for me, the relief valve has popped and I'll not reply again. I can be pm'ed for any info or when the blades are ready.

Cheers
Michael

Michael

No need to pop a valve.

I was trying to build on what you were saying, not to contradict. I had hoped it was clear that I was talking about other parts of the question. I accept absolutely that the dimension from the slot in the cap iron that engages the adjuster yoke to the edge of the cap iron is a variable and needs to be correct. I was focussing on why none of the other dimensions would be critical, or if they are, can be fixed with a file. I was also indicating that if we want to work out the length of the cap iron slot to edge dimension, a balsa wood mock up would give us the answers very quickly.

In any event, we could even work on a #8 cap iron length as standard and then eveyone can file or grind the cap iron to the length that means that it engages properly with the edge and the adjuster! (just joking, let's get those lengths correct).

BTW Wouldwood, do you have that dimension for the a #8, if not I will try to measure it tonight or first thing tomorrow. Also you mention different angles of the frog - I thought all Bailey pattern planes are bedded at 45 degrees.

Originally Posted by Brendan1152

Oops, almost forgot, I don't want to open a can of worms and get flamed, but can anyone tell me if the Stanley blades fit the equivalent # Falcon Pope?

I have a new Stanley #4 and a ~1940's Falcon #5 which I can mix and match in terms of irons, chip breakers and lever caps. I have a straight iron for jointing and a cambers iron for smoothing, either works in each plane body using either lever cap. Easy!

Originally Posted by SilverSniper

Hi Woodwould, the Clifton measurements here http://www.fine-tools.com/clift.htm should give you a rough guide as to how and where the variations between the chipbreaker measurements will vary through the plane sizes. (these are clifton measurements for their weird two-piece cap irons. I wouldn't use them for this order).

(Note that the length from the bottom of the yoke slot to the centre of the threaded screw adjustment hole is always 15mm, you would expect that this would be the same for Stanley's)

Perfect, thank you!

Originally Posted by jmk89

BTW Wouldwood, do you have that dimension for the a #8, if not I will try to measure it tonight or first thing tomorrow. Also you mention different angles of the frog - I thought all Bailey pattern planes are bedded at 45 degrees.

I don't have any dimensions for the No.8 yet, so let's add it to the list too. I was under the impression one or more of the smmothing planes had frog angles higher than 45 degrees, but it wouldn't surprise me if I were wrong.

Hi Helmut,

In addition to the order already placed, can you please add the following to my order?
1 ea of
No. 3 @ (1 3/4" wide)
No. 4 @ (2" wide)
No. 4 1/2 @ (2 3/8" wide)
No. 5 @ (2" wide)
No. 5 1/2 @ (2 1/4" wide)
No. 6 @ (2 3/8" wide)
No. 7 @ (2 3/8" wide)
No. 8 @ (2 5/8" wide)

Many thanks

Brendan

ok.. here we go. I hope it all makes sense.
Everything measured is sweetheart or older except for the 5 1/2 which is the only english Stanley in there.
All the measurements are from the "sharp" bottom edge of the breaker.

I also found a couple of new old stock english blades for a 4 and 41/2 and the distance from the cutting edge to the bottom of the slot is 55mm and 56mm.

Attachment 87645

Attachment 87646

Hope this stuff helps, I'm not going to offer much in the way of opinion except to say that I swap blades and breakers from plane to plane and from a pile of spares when I cant be bothered sharpening or my stones are buried in a pile of crap and I have never had any trouble with the breaker being incompatible with the plane. (the measurements above are all the planes original breakers)

Thanks Slow. I've now done all the Stanley blades and cap irons, but I'll compare and decipher again tomorrow. I've had enough for today.

I am going away for a few days between this Tuesday Morning to this Thursday morning. I will respond to orders or questions after Thursday morning. *EDIT* - I will have net access were I am going but I will be busy during the day light hours, so do not expect much from me.

I have been working on the spreadsheet, to tabulate all the orders I will post the spreadsheet on Thursday.

Thanks to everyone supplying chipbreaker measurements and a big thanks to Woodwould on putting up with us and doing the CAD files. We are getting to the stage were I can start asking for quotes.

Basically we are looking to have about 200 stanley blades with Lever Caps and about 60 plane blades for Wooden Hand Planes Made up.

Great work guys, I for one realy appreciate all your efforts.