Thread: UNKNOWN Handplane ?

The reason you will not find this plane anywhere is that it is user-modified from an infill shoulder plane.

That is, it started life as an infill shoulder plane, the infill was removed, the sides cut away, and the handle fitted to the rear.

Perhaps they used it as a scrub plane. I have used a shoulder plane, with its narrow blade, in that manner.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Eskilstuna is a place, not a company, its stamped on tools in the same way that Sheffield is found on English tools.

Originally Posted by derekcohen

The reason you will not find this plane anywhere is that it is user-modified from an infill shoulder plane.

That is, it started life as an infill shoulder plane, the infill was removed, the sides cut away, and the handle fitted to the rear.

Perhaps they used it as a scrub plane.bI have used a shoulder plane, with its narrow blade, in that manner.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Not at all convinced that is the origin.

Where could you find a 12 inch / 300mm long, bevel down infilled, steel body shoulder plane to cut up?

I've seen purpose built planes that are a complete mystery, but that plane form pretty much explains itself.
Not all that far away from a #10 Stanley. Just narrower, and with an adjustable throat.
Looks like a scratch built, heavy rebate plane with a double iron.. Most likely for a particular trade that requires plenty of that work.

Maybe a window maker.
The escapement is designed to throw the shaving off the bench, out to the left.

Also ..... Welcome to the forum!

Cheers,
Peter

I just looked to see if I had a pic uploaded of one of mine.
Here it is.
Since I got this over 20 years ago in South Australia, I've restored it. The wood was rotten.
Another like it has been found since.
Your plane is a little larger, and a bit more exotic version of the same type!
Oh ... and if I'd seen your plane .... I would have been all over it like a rash.

Cheers,
Peter

Peter, I would argue that yours is a cut down/modification as well. Yours has been (crudely in the steel, nicely in the wood) shaped like a Stanley #10 1/2 rabbet plane. The lever cap looks like it was cut down from an Stanley lever cap, and the frog/bed has been added to use this.

Where could you find a 12 inch / 300mm long, bevel down infilled, steel body shoulder plane to cut up?

The original shoulder plane could have been shopmade to begin. The person who modified the plane may have been the original builder or a later buyer. Frankly, who needs a 12" shoulder plane? Perhaps that is why it was modified.

Interesting planes.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Derek.....

what can I say.

a shop done modification .... to a shop made plane .... that didn't need to be made(12 inch long) ... modified by a user or buyer to use as a scrub plane.

OR ... a shop made plane that fits the function for which it was made.
A narrow rebate plane like the one below....a bench rebate plane with a double iron, removable lever, steel sides, wooden handle ... but with the improvement, in the makes view, of an adjustable throat in place of the front bun.

I can only shake my head at that circuitous explanation you make to justify your initial assessment, when the bleeding obvious is so simple a thing.
Someone wanted a plane ... and MADE it, or had it made.

When I post a picture of a similar plane I own, to compare, it doesn't mean I'm asking for any commentary on it's condition or mode of manufacture. I know a good deal about it. Telling me you could argue about its method of manufacture is a fruitless ambition. If you want to know anything about it, please ask me first before you gratuitously offer baseless commentary on it.
Likewise, if you want to know anything about the plane below, please ask. Don't just randomly speculate about it. I've spent many, many hours on these.

Cheers,
Peter

I have to say, the plane looks user-made to me, there are just too many things, like the bevel-down double-iron, the screwed lever-cap, the removable toe-piece, and the size, that suggest someone built this as a one-off. Still, one always needs to be very cautious when evaluating something from a distant shore - perhaps 300mm shoulder planes were de rigeur in the Nordic countries, you've got some hefty big chaps over there, haven't you?

Cheers,

Peter

This ...




is not this ...





Not by the longest stretch of the imagination.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Originally Posted by coffeefro

Eskilstuna is a place, not a company, its stamped on tools in the same way that Sheffield is found on English tools.

You are correct. The company is E A Berg From Eskilstuna.


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Thanks for all post to my plane. I like to see that This is a active forum. I now like my plane even more !


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The wood wouldn't know!!!!

They both do the same job, The euro plane has an adjustable throat. Thought by many at the time time to be a valuable addition to a plane.

That's the point!

A poor attempt at deflection from the numbskull idea you put up to start with.

Jeez .... So disingenuous ....


Why do I bother?
I'm outta here again.


P

Peter, for goodness sake, take it easy! I didn't agree with Derek's original suggestion either, but I don't think it called for quite such an exaggerated response. It's rather dampened the discussion of what is (to me, anyway) an interesting bit of ingenuity. There are still a few aspects of this plane that intrigue me, so could we please take a deep breath or two and resume the discussion in a calmer tone?

Govest69, I wanted to ask how the sole is attached to the metal body? It's clearly not dovetailed, and not a bent fabrication, the join is very obvious - is it soldered? On first seeing it, I wondered if it might have been intended as a spill plane. This thought was prompted by that large shaving deflector, which must've taken a bit of effort to include. However, you wouldn't need a close mouth for that, so I think that idea is a dead-end.

And can I suggest that one reason at least, for the removable toe is that the blade can't be removed through the throat, so it has to come out via the mouth. That would mean a pretty big mouth if it were fixed. This is something that soon became evident when I set out to make my own version of a shoulder plane, and I came up with a solution eerily similar to that on the plane above: SPr.jpg

This is a classic of my early tool-making period when I had far more enthusiasm than experience & ability! The dovetailed joins on the front piece were so loose I had to fill them with solder, and there are other elements that now make me cringe inwardly when I see them. I would have replaced it with a far more 'professional' effort years ago, but the darn thing works well, so I put up with the amateurish looks...

Cheers,

I wonder if it was for a boatbuilder to make lapstrake boat hulls?

Another Peter

Originally Posted by QC Inspector

I wonder if it was for a boatbuilder to make lapstrake boat hulls?

Another Peter

Some sort of boatbuilding role would certainly be a good suggestion, given where it was found....