Thread: unusual Symonds saw

Come on Paul, this post has been up for over an hour and a half. Still doing your research hey !

4 hours since the first post and Paul is still nowhere to be seen?

There can only be one explanation; he has seen the photo’s but has not yet sufficiently recovered from the apoplectic shock of seeing the handle so inexpertly butchered.

I guess we should be thankful the saw hasn’t been further improved with a painted pseudo-rural landscape...

Pauuuul (clap,clap,clap) Pauuuul (clap,clap,clap) Pauuuuul (clap,clap,clap)

Due to Paul,
O obviously being taken with more serious matters.

I would put $50 cents down that’s just a crap repair?

The top horn was broken off an they just filled sanded it round.

Cheers Matt.

Paul's probably on night shift, so let the poor chap get his beauty sleep, will you? (Heaven knows, he needs it! )

Agree with you Matt. The horn got broken & someone decided amputation was easier than repair. It would probably make the saw a little less comfy to use than with a horn, but probably a good deal more comfortable than having the web of your hand gouged by splinters...

Cheers,

Symonds made a one hand crosscut saw with a handle like that (#777) but with a longer blade:
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They also sold handles:
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However, it still looks like a de-horned handle to me.

Sorry Lads

Not asleep (Ian is right about the beauty sleep: I looked in the mirror this morning and it wasn't me) and not ignoring. I just did not see the thread.

Graham

My first thought was that it could be a timber handled docking saw. This is mainly because, although Simonds listed such a beast as an alternative to the iron handled version, there was no supporting pic and I have never seen such an animal.

However, further examination leads me to believe it is a No.8 from the Crescent Moon and Star period, which was from 1900 through to the end of 1904.

The top horn and the cove have been removed (probably modified following damage). This pic is from the 1903 catalogue:

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Regards
Paul

Yaay! Paul's back . I do think this saws medallion is one of the nicest I've seen.

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Sorry Lads

Not asleep (Ian is right about the beauty sleep: I looked in the mirror this morning and it wasn't me) and not ignoring. I just did not see the thread.

Graham

My first thought was that it could be a timber handled docking saw. This is mainly because, although Simonds listed such a beast as an alternative to the iron handled version, there was no supporting pic and I have never seen such an animal.

However, further examination leads me to believe it is a No.8 from the Crescent Moon and Star period, which was from 1900 through to the end of 1904.

The top horn and the cove have been removed (probably modified following damage). This pic is from the 1903 catalogue:

P1060389 (Medium) (2).JPG

Regards
Paul

Are you could have done some diplomatic sucking up an filled Ian’s an my ego up even more [emoji3064].

Cheers Matt.

MA

I agree entirely with you on that. It is a mystery to me why they changed the medallion style as there seemed to be no improvement in style and the only thing added in the later version, which I refer to as the "manufacturing" style, is the addition of the patent date for the saw screws.

Just returning to the saw in question for a moment. I think the curve on the saw Graham posted fits the original exactly:

modified Simonds No.8.jpg


I am completely unable to generate a smooth line with 3D paint, but I hope you can see gist of it.

Regards
Paul

I had meant to check the patent date comment on the previous post, but clicked "send" forgetting I had to check my statement. Ooops! The patent date for the saw screws is on CM & S medallion. It is incredible small, but it is there.

Regards
Paul

Hi Paul,

thanks for identifying the saw as a (modified) No.8

Below is a photo of an early Spear & Jackson one man x cut saw
with its step down handle detail, which led me to my comment in my first post.

Graham.

It was a perfectly reasonable assumption to make, macg, your handle certainly does resemble the old one-man saw handles. My first thought was the same as yours, but I have never seen a saw that size fitted with such a handle, so I took a more critical look. It seemed apparent to me (having made a lot of aw handles!) that the contour of the top of the grip is a bit odd, not an even flow as I'd expect if it had been intentionally made "hornless". De-horned saws are extremely common - that part is very susceptible to injury, which is often 'fixed' by amputation of the stump.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by IanW

It was a perfectly reasonable assumption to make, macg, your handle certainly does resemble the old one-man saw handles. My first thought was the same as yours, but I have never seen a saw that size fitted with such a handle, so I took a more critical look. It seemed apparent to me (having made a lot of aw handles!) that the contour of the top of the grip is a bit odd, not an even flow as I'd expect if it had been intentionally made "hornless". De-horned saws are extremely common - that part is very susceptible to injury, which is often 'fixed' by amputation of the stump.

Cheers,

Ian

The other giveaway for me, but not really obvious for those of you without a library of Simonds catalogues, is that the four models of Simonds one man crosscut (logging) saws in the 1903 catalogue had only three saw screws. Even by 1919, when twelve models of one man saw were listed, they all still had only three saw screws. The top line of the handle was also more horizontal while Graham's saw slopes distinctly downwards. In fact if you enlarge Gavin's extract from the catalogue (post #7) you can see this and it looks to me that they only had one handle that fitted all: The pantyhose of the logging saw world.

Regards
Paul