The world has gone nuts

**thomaslaursen** · 19th July 2010, 12:08 PM

Hi
thanks for the response. Here is some of the things I have found out. This webside from a guy in sweden is interesting. It is in swedish, so i have made a google tranlation in english, that may or may not help. Basically what he says is that the older stamps is not a shark but "mal" which is a fish. I believe it's a catfish he means. This i have also heard of in a swedish forum i came across once, but i haven't seen any actual documentation. Also I saw a russian razor forum where they refered to it as a fish. The other interesting thing I've found was this book. It's the official catalouge for the swedish companies that went to the paris 1900 expo, where berg won a gold medal. Don't know if it was for his razors or woodworking tools. Nevertheless it's on page 99.

Attachment 142110

I think it looks a lot like this one, or at least not that far off.
But from there on I'm drawing blanks. The rest i know is only observation and guessing.
So that's it.

As for the tang vs. socket type I think derek is right. I live in denmark and all i ever see is tang type. Although Bahco did make tang type with the red plastic handle that looked a litlle like it was a socket later on. They were really ugly i think.
About the writing of the berg name i think i had more to do with the size of the chisel rather than the age. The full name for the larger, short name for the middle ones and just the word "sweden" and a fish or shark for the small ones. At least that's my observation. I have also seen some with the word "garanti" instead of "sweden" and some without either. All the pictures are from planes btw.

Thomas

**seanz** · 19th July 2010, 03:15 PM

Thanks for an excellent post Thomas Laursen.

**Virgil** · 21st July 2010, 02:31 PM

Yep, world has gone nuts.
E.A.BERG ESKILTUNA MASSIVE 2 INCH WIDE CHISEL SWEDEN - eBay Carpentry, Woodworking, Tools, Tools, Hardware Locks, Collectibles. (end time 21-Jul-10 11:48:58 AEST)

Cheers,
Virg.

**jimbur** · 21st July 2010, 02:46 PM

Yes all agree that the world's gone nuts but we don't have to buy ourselves a place in the asylum

Cheers,
Jim

**Waldo** · 21st July 2010, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Virgil

Yep, world has gone nuts.
E.A.BERG ESKILTUNA MASSIVE 2 INCH WIDE CHISEL SWEDEN - eBay Carpentry, Woodworking, Tools, Tools, Hardware Locks, Collectibles. (end time 21-Jul-10 11:48:58 AEST)

Cheers,
Virg.

I missed the end of that one.

Yep, I don't have to buy into it. If people would just give me whatever tools/machinery I wanted, along with the timber then I could stay in my shed and never come out.

Except for having to try and make money etc. ...

**Blue-deviled** · 22nd July 2010, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Virgil

Yep, world has gone nuts.
E.A.BERG ESKILTUNA MASSIVE 2 INCH WIDE CHISEL SWEDEN - eBay Carpentry, Woodworking, Tools, Tools, Hardware Locks, Collectibles. (end time 21-Jul-10 11:48:58 AEST)

Cheers,
Virg.

Well, at least two of the bidders have gone above plain nuts!

Was it just me, or did anybody else notice a certain Arthurian quality to the ebay photos?

cheers,
BD

**jimbur** · 23rd July 2010, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Blue-deviled

Well, at least two of the bidders have gone above plain nuts!

Was it just me, or did anybody else notice a certain Arthurian quality to the ebay photos?

cheers,
BD

With that logo perhaps it should be held by the Lady of the Lake

**Orsomagno** · 23rd July 2010, 07:10 AM

Hi everybody,
I'm here just to share some info about swedish steel:
as an enthusiast (and not practical) hobbyst, I was rummaging time ago in some old ww suppliers.

One of these rude mountain men

response positively to my request, and returned from the back of the shop with an old bunch of rust and spiderwebs.

Ok, most were shoulder plane irons, but with just one surprise:

and with the finest chipbreaker I ever seen:

Ok, So: the gold metal in Paris seem to be won for ww tools (well, marketing practice is always been the same, though...) as the box said.

And, this time from an ex-friend, a rusted plane blade living from many years in a russian crap plane:

someone told me it's an older supplier that ceased the activity to mr. E A Berg before 1900.

If someone could reduce the images, thanks

Ouh, I forgot, the box is from 1950-60, according to the shop owner ("It's here since I was a boy"... 10 euro, thanks

)

**seanz** · 23rd July 2010, 01:13 PM

Welcome to the forum Orsomagno. That's quite a bargain you got.

**thomaslaursen** · 23rd July 2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Orsomagno

Ouh, I forgot, the box is from 1950-60, according to the shop owner ("It's here since I was a boy"... 10 euro, thanks

)

Hi Orsomagno
That sounds right to me. I've got one with the same shark, but different chipbreaker, that looks very similar in style to my bahco, so i would assume it's from the latest period prior to the bahco takeover.

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Here are some more differrent chipbreakers that I have found. All from wooden planes.

**Orsomagno** · 23rd July 2010, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by seanz

Welcome to the forum Orsomagno. That's quite a bargain you got.

thanks for the welcome

bargains are more and more uncommons: now for an old kirschen or goldenberg plane blade (admittedly to found them) is it possible to be asked of about 35-45 euro (with the chipbreaker). Even more if scored at a boot fair, from people who really don't know what are these stuff.

but, anyway...

for thomaslaursen:
the last chipbreaker on the right is just like mine, I suppose.
Both the blades are laminated and about 3,5 mm thick to the cutter.

I'm learning to sharpen, so let's hope they could cut the wood, after 50-60 years of waiting

**derekcohen** · 24th July 2010, 12:09 AM

someone told me it's an older supplier that ceased the activity to mr. E A Berg before 1900.

The reference above is to a blade by "Jernbolaget".

It is relevant to note that Eskilstuna in Sweden was a geographical area, not a single company or business. It is similar to saying that a blade is "Sheffield Steel". Therefor we are referring to a group of blade makers, one of which was AE Berg. All blades from this area are about as similar to one another as are blades made in Sheffield.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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