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    Default Altendorf panel saw

    would like to know if i could use a panel saw as a normal table saw that is for ripping etc. i have an oppurtunity to get a 12 inch altendorf that is a few yrs old but in good cond. it has rise and fall but no blade tilt that is not a problem . i was looking at getting a sliding table saw as mainly cut up 8x4 ply but also ripp down other timber to a smaller size before thicknessing down to finished size. i have been a bench man in a sawmill and always have had guard and riving knife, but has just a bare blade on the big panel saw and so i am a lot apprehensive about it all, guess it is ok for doing just sheet work like particle board or mdf. my needs are about 50 /50 sheet cutting and ripping up rough sawn or things like pine studs etc, any advice appreciated. guess what i am trying to achieve is 2 saws in one if that is possible with the altendorf, cheers peter (grandad)

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    yea great saw, must be a F90 you will need to take the fence off to allow to cut wide boards.

    dont forget ist 3ph 15amp

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    hi gaza, yeah already wired in to the shed on the land i am buying, do not understand about removing fence to cut wide sheets ? are you talking about freehand cutting, can it do the other things i asked in post. cheers peter

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    nah got to take fence of silding arm if cutting wide baords on left hand side of blade,

    the saw cuts sheets 1200mm wide on left of fence

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    Peter
    As far as I know, all Altendorf saws that are only "a few years old" would originally have had a riving knife. The riving knife and guard have probably been removed
    Yes you can rip with one, though you may wish to change blades before doing so.
    You should be able to lock the table as well
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    thanks again gaza and ian, i will have to ask her if she has got the hood and knife, and yep am already looking at ripping blades etc, i think there is a few with it but not sure yet, i know it has a scoring blade set up on it, but do not know if i will have the need to use it. think that is more for melamine is it not? cheers peter(grandad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by checkerflight View Post
    thanks again gaza and ian, i will have to ask her if she has got the hood and knife, and yep am already looking at ripping blades etc, i think there is a few with it but not sure yet, i know it has a scoring blade set up on it, but do not know if i will have the need to use it. think that is more for melamine is it not? cheers peter(grandad)
    Opinions will differ, especially on saws where setting the scoring blade requires shims and it's use requires the blade be raised manually.
    In practice, having set the scoring blade to be exactly in alignment with whichever side of the main blade you are using, you would try and use the scorer
    1) every time you cut man made board -- chip board, ply, MDF, melamine, veneered board, etc
    2) every time you do any cross-cuting. A properly set scorer and main blade will eliminate tearout.

    the pain is when the scorer is a different width to the main blade resulting in teh scoring cut being off-set from that made by the main blade
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    spoke to the lady today and has hood and knife but for whatever reason removed them ? also said there is some ripp blades but i will send away all blades and get sharpened and set for the types of jobs i am doing. cheers peter ( grandad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    Opinions will differ, especially on saws where setting the scoring blade requires shims and it's use requires the blade be raised manually.
    In practice, having set the scoring blade to be exactly in alignment with whichever side of the main blade you are using, you would try and use the scorer
    1) every time you cut man made board -- chip board, ply, MDF, melamine, veneered board, etc
    2) every time you do any cross-cuting. A properly set scorer and main blade will eliminate tearout.

    the pain is when the scorer is a different width to the main blade resulting in teh scoring cut being off-set from that made by the main blade
    The scorer should be shimmed to 0.1mm wider than the main blade and centred so that it cuts 0.05mm either side and no more than 2mm deep, eliminating breakout on both sides of the blade.

    It is generally only used for manufactured boards that are coated/veneered on both sides. It should not be necessary for cross cutting timber if you have a properly sharpened blade with the correct tooth profile.

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    hi ive had both altendorfs elmos and wa series all the elmos i had had a 1300 rip side fence
    cheers ken

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    good day ken, how did you find them are they good saws, they look ok i have never used one but looks like i am going to own one tho. can you get parts and replacements etc ok, i would need to get them out of brisbane if available there. they look like a pce of equipment that will just keep on keeping on cheers peter (grandad)

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    yes weve had the f45 elmo since 1998 that was brand new has had a new motor in that time but thats all it works 8 hours a day min since 1998 so thats pretty reliable i reckon we got rid of the wa to make way for a cnc but it was a great saw too you wont be dissapointed
    cheers ken

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    I had an f90 in my last shop, great workhorse, they just go on and on.

    Slide table took care to set up but once you found the sweet spot no problem.

    Scribe blade has easy access so not difficult to play with.

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    thanks for all the replys much appreciated, am so looking forward to using it and having proper blades etc and set up so i can do my work so much easier. cheers peter(grandad)

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    It would be worth contacting Altendorf with the serial number. They keep records of the machines and when they have been serviced etc, which may assist you with negotiating the right price on the machine

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