Thread: SAWSTOP - The Argument

Cr@p Brendan, wait 'til I get the popcorn and beer!

Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke

Cr@p Brendan, wait 'til I get the popcorn and beer!

Better be quick mate. This could be the argument to end all arguments....

My opinion (not that anyone will give a toss) is the Saw Stop is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the owner/inventor was well within his rights to try and make it illegal to use no other type of saw. I have started to save the 4 and a half K. Cant wait

C'mon Lig. You can do better than that.

In every other thread that has mentioned the SawStop you have been most vocal about its 'inadequacies'.

I've now given you a thread to wax lyrical.

Go nuts.

The importer of a product starts his own thread to argue the merits of his product - smells a bit fishy to me - Sales not up to expectations maybe?

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

C'mon Lig. You can do better than that.

Well your sales technique is so convincing im now a convert. I can clearly see this is the best cabinet saw on the market and im going to put mine in the trading post and upgrade to the worlds best. Thanks for showing me the way

Originally Posted by BobL

The importer of a product starts his own thread to argue the merits of his product - smells a bit fishy to me - Sales not up to expectations maybe?

Fair call...

I will be completely open and honest during this thread.

Those that know me will know that I have a certain amount of integrity. I stand by what I promise, or I don't sleep well at night.

The reason that I started this thread was that every time I started a thread with the word "SawStop" in the title, it seemed to attract a lot of arguments as to whether or not the system was viable or if the machine was worth the dollars.

So I have decided to set up a thread that can openly discuss these opinions.

I have nothing to hide.

I have sold quality woodworking machines for some time now, and I reckon this machine is brilliant - even without the 'unique safety feature'.

But I obviously have a barrow to push.

Let's make this thread an open discussion as to whether or not SawStop is justified.

For the record - sales have been a little slow thus far. But we have only had the machine on our books for the last two months (officially) and our first lot of ads and promotions are only just starting to come out. I anticipate decent sales, even without promotion via this forum.

I respect the views and most of the opinions that I receive from this forum, which is why I continue to ask questions here. I certainly do not expect to make my fortune by pitching to you blokes, but I genuinely value the feedback that I receive from woodworkers who are critical with what they like and what they don't like in a woodworking machine.

Thanks,
Brendan

Originally Posted by Lignum

Well your sales technique is so convincing im now a convert. I can clearly see this is the best cabinet saw on the market and im going to put mine in the trading post and upgrade to the worlds best. Thanks for showing me the way

TF - Here is a thread for you to do your best / worst.

Go for it. I can handle it. And I would rather it is all out in the open rather than have innuendo floating around.

Give SawStop hell in this thread rather than stalking every other thread I mention SawStop in.

Please.

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

For the record - sales have been a little slow thus far.

Whilst im now a convert with the brilliant saw stop, i assume the other two importers who passed it up before Gabbet, because they didnt see a market here in Aus would be feeling a little justified (just for now) I still think they were wrong and it will take off.

Originally Posted by Lignum

Whilst im now a convert with the brilliant saw stop, i assume the other two importers who passed it up before Gabbet, because they didnt see a market here in Aus would be feeling a little justified (just for now) I still think they were wrong and it will take off.

Two other importers who passed it up before Gabbett, eh??

Going off half-cocked again Lig?

You are making some very half-baked statements tonight.

I know of the two others that were considered for importing the SawStop. But they didn't 'pass it up'. Gabbett won the contract.

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

Two other importers who passed it up before Gabbett, eh??

Going off half-cocked again Lig?

You are making some very half-baked statements tonight.

I know of the two others that were considered for importing the SawStop. But they didn't 'pass it up'. Gabbett won the contract.

one im half sure about(still see it as fact), and one im 100% possitive because i know the owners

Originally Posted by Lignum

one im half sure about(still see it as fact), and one im 100% possitive because i know the owners

Originally Posted by Lignum

one im half sure about one (still see it as fact), and one im 100% possitive because i know the owners

Echo in here??

I know that Gabbett were one of three that were considered.

I know that you are familiar with a particular retailer in Vic, and I wasn't aware that they were on the list...so I will give you the benefit of the doubt with that one. You lose points about being 'half-sure' about the other one. I guess it should also be mentioned that SawStop were ideally looking for more of a national retailer......

But you win Round One.

Bring on Round Two.
Tomorrow. Cause I'm knackered and need to go to bed.

Seriously. Fire away. Tell me what you hate about SawStop. I will endeavour to rebutt anything you offer.
I don't think I can convert you, but perhaps those who read this thread can make their own decision.

You're starting a debate where there is no debate - very clever. It's always said any publicity is good publicity

But lets have a squiz anyways shall we.

Lets start with the basics

Whats the main job of the saw? To cut wood - right... You can't in anyway demonstrate that the sawstop can do that better than any other good quality cabinet saw out there. Even if it has bigger bearings, more cast iron or better fit and finish it won't cut any better. Even if it were made out of a solid block of cast iron it won't cut any better than a powermatic or the likes as they have enough strength in them to do the job they were designed to do. And if you like I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong. You do anything you like on the sawstop and I'll match it or better it on a powermatic or other equivalent saw. Remember we work in wood we're not building space shuttles.

So now it's up to the person concerned to decide whether the extra few thousand for the sawstop is worth it or not even though it doesn't perform it primary tasks any better than the other saws. I will admit it probably has more entertainment value in that I many others would be more than happy to come over drink your grog and and watch you push a snag into the blade. That's like a 10/10 on the giggle scale. But even then there's still no debate. No one can decide whether the saw is for them except them. Jake may try as he's jealous and too cheap to buy good tools and complains when everyone else does. But that's a whole other matter that can only be sorted with therapy.

Now for the more difficult matter (but not really all that difficult is it when you think about it)

What about sawstops other feature the break. You stand a much higher risk of being injured or killed just getting to the show room to look at the saw than you do of seriously cutting a finger in the next twenty years. Take the time to look into how many saws are out there and how relatively few there are with missing or mangled digits that were damaged on a tablesaw. So the odds are far in your favour that you don't need the break. But if it makes you sleep better at night, just like having insurance on your house, then go for your life it's up to you and you alone.

Still can't see where the debate is.

Maybe we should have a debate about what the debate should be. We'll have a master debate!

Ruddigar

Good luck on your venture. I've watched the Sawstop story rollout here for the last few years. Between the lawyer/owner trying to force all companies that sell saws to license his technology or not sell saws; or the story of his want exhorbitant royalties to license his patents; it's all been out there. There are those that say it's the best thing since sliced bread while others claim it's a fraud. There was a thread on Woodnet.net where the owner of SS and Grizzly had a 'discussion', that developed over time. It was interesting to read each side and see how they differ. I think the technology has mertit but he went around it the wrong way to get acceptance and priced it way out of the pricerange of most people.

I will say I bought a new cabinet saw a few months ago. I looked at quite a few different brands along with differing options (including SawStop). After all was 'said and done', I did buy a cabinet saw and it was not a SS. In fact, the saw I purchased was about 1/4th of the price of a SS.

Here's an interesting thought for your electrical people. I know the hz of your electrical there is different than here. So in addition to the normal, will there be a power convertor or will the electronics work there without a problem? Just curious.

Paul

I have seen it in person and the demo, if you're interested