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    Default Woodman12" tilting arbor table saw (TS-222)

    Hey Guys,
    I finally have my shed up and am now looking for a decent table saw. I havent hooked up power yet but i do have three phase cable running to the shed.
    i think that if i can get a good quality second hand machine i would be better off than getting a new cheaply made machine for the same price.
    My shed is only 6x6m (double roller door) so i am worried that a large saw will simply take up too much room. Does anybody own a Woodman12" tilting arbor table saw or similar model with different name? i'm wondering if this machine could be put on wheels easily (i know they are bloody heavy) and any opinions on if this saw is too big for the space i have (or overkill). There is one for sale near me and is an ex high school machine. It has the sliding table but i can take that off to save room.
    Any help on the suitabliity and performance of this model would be great!
    i mostly plan on building furniture for my house ect as most of you do, no commercial applications, but i want a accurate and easy to use machine for boxes ect once i get used to the machine.
    thanks heaps in advance! - i cant wait to get my hands busy again!!!!
    cheers
    steve

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    Hi Steve
    We used to have one of those (pre cyclone) and it was a great little machine.
    The sliding table right next to the blade worked well.
    For larger pieces we used an expanding roller thingy from CarbaTec and cut half sheets easily.
    All our machinery was on wheels. We only had a 3x6 metre shed so floor space was not great. We rolled each machine out as needed.
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    Cheers for the reply Wolffie!
    Thats good knowing that it can be put on wheels. and it's good that you think it was a good saw. i'm really considering it.....
    The only thing is the guy doesn't have three phase at his house where it is being stored so i can't turn it on and check that it is functioning properly.... is there anything that can go wrong with that machine or are they pretty bullet proof???
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cossi View Post
    Cheers for the reply Wolffie!
    Thats good knowing that it can be put on wheels. and it's good that you think it was a good saw. i'm really considering it.....
    The only thing is the guy doesn't have three phase at his house where it is being stored so i can't turn it on and check that it is functioning properly.... is there anything that can go wrong with that machine or are they pretty bullet proof???
    cheers
    YES, things CAN go wrong
    It is not cyclone and stormsurge proof
    Apart from that we never had any trouble

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    Hi Steve
    I have it's baby brother a TS220 /10in blade and love it, assuming the saw your looking at has a step in the front panel these are made by MIKIWAY in Tiawan also called MBS300 and 250 so thats a plus, I looked at every new saw under 2k in Brisbane before i bought mine it was just better in quality i thought, the crank handles had less backlash than all off them even the Jet, it has quality switches and big HP motors and a fence that is on rollers also 3 vee belts.
    The problems are, the 30mm arbor does not take a Dado set unless you buy a 5/8 inch arbor, The blade insert is a funny shape if you want to make a zero clearance insert , The switches could be mounted in a better position and of course the Suva blade guard they look the part but are hopeless.
    Your saw would have been around 3k new with the sliding table maybe more, and out off a school it's had some work, just check for arbor end float,open the door and give the cradle a tug and push for wear, the cranks will have some slop by now but the locks should work.
    Hope this helps.
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey56 View Post
    The problems are, the 30mm arbor does not take a Dado set unless you buy a 5/8 inch arbor, The blade insert is a funny shape if you want to make a zero clearance insert , The switches could be mounted in a better position and of course the Suva blade guard they look the part but are hopeless.
    Thanks heaps for your reply whitey56,
    Yes, thats the one, it definetly has the step in the front so it sounds like its a good machine. The dado blade doesn't bother me too much. i have a radial arm saw at home which i can use for that, but it would be heaps easier on the table saw with a decent fence. i have seen that on the new model you can get an optional extra for it that alows you to do dado cuts
    - does anybody know if i can use this on this saw???

    i have looked at most of the saws that are new and the cost to get something decent is huge. i should be able to get this for just over a grand with 3 blades! So i'm saving money on a jet which was my other option. possibly even get a secondhand bandsaw as well... then i would be very well set up

    Quote Originally Posted by whitey56 View Post
    Your saw would have been around 3k new with the sliding table maybe more, and out off a school it's had some work, just check for arbor end float,open the door and give the cradle a tug and push for wear, the cranks will have some slop by now but the locks should work.
    please excuse my lack of experience mate, would i need a specific tool to check the arbor end float? also does the slop mean that the angle reader wouldn't be acurate?

    Also would the amount of use that a school machine has had deter you at all??? I wonder if i should get somebody experience to go with me, i met a really nice saw doctor when i went to look at another second hand saw......

    The old school woodwork teacher purchased the saw when they received a grant to upgrade all their eqipment so i figure that if it had alot of wear or anything wrong he wouldn't have wanted it. it sat in his shed because they didn't have 3ph. His ex wife now has it as they split up and he bailed.

    thanks heaps guys!!! i like to find out info before rather than later - your help has been great!!!!

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    Hi Steve
    It looks like you have 415v in the shed because most school machines use it, The Price is about right and it should have a better blade guard than the Suva to being in a school, as for arbor float just check the in and out and up and down movement off the blade you could use a Dial Gauge if you could borrow one, it will be only a set of bearings if it is too much. One thing my saw is good for is noise it's so quiet i often use it a 6am with the door down if yours is not that quiet it might need motor bearings. The slop in the hand wheels about 1/4 turn would be ok if it's 3/4 turn something is worn or loose, I always check my angles with a square on the blade or a test cut, the usage at a school is hard to say they won't use it for 8 hour a day it might only get 1/2 hour who knows, if you have a straight edge or a rafter square check the table for bowing and the fence is on nylon wheels it should just glide along the rails you might need a new set.
    An old TS222 would probably be just as accurate as a new Chinese Saw.
    Good Luck

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    thanks Whitey56! this has really helped me. I did think that i would check every angle cut anyway (never assume!) so as long as the slop isn't too bad it should be ok. as long as the lock works and as you said, these things can be fixed....
    The fence has been taken off for storage so i might put it on for ease of mind and just check how it glides.... it doesn't have to be acurate when i check it because i will align it all propely when i get home.

    Yep i have 415v @ home. i wanted it so i had the option of getting older machinery ect, plus my radial arm i inherited is 415v so i needed it for that. but that thing is so scary to rip with. i did it once then decided to upgrade my table saw from the crappy ryobi my dad gave me.... the only thing now is making sure the cable i have is capable of running the saw and a decent dusty... should be be ok. my brother is a sparky and got me all the cable ect for free, hopefully hooking up power in 2 weeks when he is back from site.

    cheers again for your help! if anyone in WA south of the river has a dial guage that i could borrow it would really be appreciated, or i might just buy one... i will need it now i'm getting a decent saw.

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    i am now the Proud owner of a woodman 12 inch saw with the full sliding table!

    It was quite funny the woodman, huge bandsaw and 20 inch thicknesser were all crammed into a tiny tin shed. we have to pull the shed apart to get the saw out! ha ha ha.. i really wish i could get the other stuff but my budget only allows the table saw. She dropped the price if i would help her dismantle and re assemble the shed.

    Whitey56 - thanks again for your helpful comments, when i checked the arbor it was solid as a rock, very firm but very smooth, there wasn't any play on the rise or tilt!
    As i said before the rails were off for storage but it may need new nylon wheels for the fence. - do you know where i can get these?
    I couldn't check the distance on the front and rear of the blade as i don't have a dial guage, but the table may have moved during storage. i'll give it a big check when i get it home and take my time setting it all up.

    when i finally get it home i will have a big job cleaning all the lanolin off it as it has had regular sprays to prevent rust. But it looks great! i cant wait to use it!!!

    Wolffie - what type of mobile base did you have for yours?? was it a commercial one or dd you make it yourself? also did it lift the whole machine up for transport and then alow the machine to sit solid on the concrete once in place?

    moving a big heavy machine like that is going to be fun over my grass and into the shed!

    cheers again

    steve

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    Hi Steve
    That is good news you won't look back now, I put up with a Triton S3 for 10 years before taking the plunge and regret not buying a quality saw earlier.
    Look up Table Saw setup on You/tube some video's on there will help you set it up you only need a sliding square to check the blade alignment, I use Vernier Calipers to check mine. As for the rollers Gregory Machinery told me 5 years ago they were available but mine are still ok so I haven't tried, Try someone around Perth or look up Chevpac Machinery NZ they have a great site, Look under Saws- Spare Parts page 2 has all the MBS300 parts around $8 per roller.
    The rollers should last quite a long time when my fence gets sticky i slide it off the rails and blow the dust out with compressed air, make sure you take the endcaps of the rails as they could damage the rollers when removing fence.
    I use Silver Glide on the bench top couple times a year or more with heavy use.
    Make your first Project a Table Saw Sled [not like me 5yrs later] its a handy bit of gear, checkout Rumnuts thread on flip stops in Jigs section also You Tube on how to make them.
    How about a photo for proof of ownership.
    GOOD LUCK
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    Quote Originally Posted by cossi View Post
    i am now the Proud owner of a woodman 12 inch saw with the full sliding table!
    Congratulations, you must be one very happy little vegemite

    It was quite funny the woodman, huge bandsaw and 20 inch thicknesser were all crammed into a tiny tin shed. we have to pull the shed apart to get the saw out! ha ha ha.. i really wish i could get the other stuff but my budget only allows the table saw. She dropped the price if i would help her dismantle and re assemble the shed.
    Sound like a candidate for Australia's funniest

    Wolffie - what type of mobile base did you have for yours?? was it a commercial one or dd you make it yourself? also did it lift the whole machine up for transport and then alow the machine to sit solid on the concrete once in place?
    We had 4 wheels under the saw. The 2 front ones were the"flip and lift type" they also turn. When you flip them back the saw stands on the 2 support posts.
    The 2 back wheels were fixed. The brackets were made up for us. Our new saw that weight over 250kg has the same arrangement just fixed to the machine.


    moving a big heavy machine like that is going to be fun over my grass and into the shed!
    Make sure you put some heavy boards down.

    cheers again

    steve
    The simplest way to check whether the blade is 90 degrees is to use a length of timber, say 50 mm square. Set the blade to cut about halfway through the block in the centre. Stop the saw, turn the block 180 degrees (while sitting on the table) then check whether the cut fits perfectly over the blade. If it does, the blade is square. If not, adjust it a fraction at the time.

    Cheers and have fun
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    Thanks guys! i am a very happy vegimite!

    i'm getting her on the weekend so i'll def post some pics for you once it's all set up and cleaned! Hopefully i can get the power hooked up to my shed soon so i can use it!

    thanks wollfie i will try and work out how to make a base for it, or i looked and carbatec sell them. not sure if they are as good but... never seen them before.

    I'm getting a truck with a tail lift and putting it on a pallet to minimize movement by the table ect, i can then use a pallet trolley to get it out the back by using big boards... hope it goes well!

    pics soon!

    cheers

    steve

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    Steve
    We just received the adjustable mobile base from Hare and Forbes W930.
    It can shift up to 227 kg.

    We put it under our thicknesser that weighs 220 kg.
    Cheers
    Wolffie
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    Awesome Wollfie!! it looks like what i need. Though after getting it into the shed and seeing that it isn't actually as heavy as i thought i may put it on the back burner for a month or so. Once she is cleaned and functioning propperly i may just let it sit and adjust to her new home! That is inbetween getting dusty......

    One thing that i have noticed is missing is the riving knife and i'm not really keen on using it without one....

    Question - i have notived that a few coments during my research suggested that the original riving knife is not the best and needs modification. Also that you can get different types, so get several. PLEASE excuse my newbness to this, but i'm keen to do things right.

    Can i simply buy a better one???? or can i make a new one that functions better (i'm not that handy with steel, or have many tools for this). I'm assuming no, so sorry if this is a silly question. If i have to get the original, what types of modifications are neccesary? - different knifes for different blade heights????

    Cheers for the contact for parts above Whitey56, i'm assuming they will sell riving kifes.

    cheers

    Steve

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    I cannot help with the riving knife Steve as my saw never came with one and I can't say that i've had any bad moments because of it not being there but that could be because I do not rip a lot of timber mainly ply and MDF.
    The CHEVPAC site is pretty good isn't it.

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