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    For future reference, here is a slightly redacted copy/paste of our PM's for clarity.....

    *** GROENEAJ***

    I noticed you have the AUK router attached to a Incra router lift with the clean sweep inserts. This is the same set up I’m looking at getting. I’ll also be installing it on my table extension table with the Incra LS 17”.

    I got a couple of questions if you don’t mind answering?

    How thick is your extension table? Mine is 17mm thick and my concern is that it’ll sag. I plan on replacing it and bracing underneath. How have you supported it if at all?

    And how do you find the AUK router? Plenty of power etc? And is it loud compared to the Triton?

    And what’s the go with your dust extraction underneath? Incra make the clean sweep cabinet that work in conjunction with the insert rings, but it looks fairly simple to make yourself.


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    In a word: Fantastic.

    Everyone hyper-enthuses about things being awesome! brilliant! stupendous! these days and it gets very tiring.... the really good stuff doesn't rise to the top as the ordinary users have no experience.

    There are a few posts where I talked about my adventures of using several Triton TRA001's under table, plus a desire to do a spindle/VFD setup and all the headaches involved with that.

    Just as I was resigned to the fact of having to go down the high-tech method to achieve some sort of satisfaction, they released the AUK motor with variable speed controller.

    Coupled with the Incra lifter, it is FANTASTIC.

    The Tritons were serviceable, but there still were issues that made me intensely irritated. Dust buildup in the lifting rods, bearings that wear too fast (replaced two), locking knobs that no longer lock, fritzy electronics (one blew up) and my biggest problem - runout. Man o man, ordinary engineering is one of my absolute pet-peeves.

    The AUK was released and I received (something like) serial number 0004. It was still warm from the factory and sold to me as a bit of a "tell us what you think" (though I did pay full price). It ran beautifully for a week then developed a run out issue. I contacted them and they sent me a new one that day... as it would happen (probably serial # 00010) it was "upgraded" in some manner, but it was (and is) magnificent.

    I absolutely love that the runout on it is non existent. I absolutely love the control the Incra offers on getting the bit height just right.

    Dovetails with the Incra TSLS32 and PWS's new router body
    Buying: Eliminator Chuck for the new AUKtools under table motor

    For dust collection, I just stick the hose in the side. There are a few posts where I've discussed this... cant find them yet (search on the WWF is horrendous).

    The 6" hose is simply jammed into the side. It scours it clean as a whistle!

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    Forgot to answer one part....

    The table is nothing special. Just some ~19mm melamine chipboard with two reinforcers beneath.

    They were originally just hardwood screwed in, but I replaced them with the Incra router table braces. Done simply because they were cheap and on special with Amazon at the time of doing another order, plus gave me a bit of fine adjustability to get the edge lined up with the tablesaw.

    I think people go overboard with "sag" and what not. This setup has lasted literally years and it was just scraps thrown together and intended to be temporary.... until I built a nice one.

    Well, many years on and my temporary doesn't look like being replaced any time soon.

    It has seen a HUGE amount of work. It is no show pony.

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    Thanks mate just saw this post. I’ll reply back a bit later...

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    Can I please double-check something (I'm sure, WP, you told me this answer a long ways back, but my memory isn't what it once was) - you have the MAST-R-LIFT or MAST-R-LIFT II?

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    It's the Mast-r-lift 2 in metric .

    All questions welcome.

    With the AUK motor, just one observation is that it can sound a little gravelly after long use. A shot of compressed air down the guts clears that up quick smart.

    On the lifter, one needs to clear the upper pistons with compressed air occasionally. It isn't a big deal, just a maintenance thing.

    Both bought 6/2017.

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    I didn't answer a question!

    Noise.... Compared to the Triton TRA001 it is very quiet. The Tritons were terrible, it was absolutely necessary to wear the Peltor 10A muffs. With the AUK it isn't so. It is a pleasant noise, not harsh. It sounds smooth and controlled.

    One cannot hear the usual horrendous screech of the router from the outside. I had my son turn it on while I was out at the fenceline and couldn't hear it.

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    Thanks buddy, you’ve pretty much answered all my questions Evan. I’m glad to hear it’s quiet as the Triton is a screamer.

    Looks like I’ll order the Incra. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wanted to raise/lower the height by a hair so that’ll be a dream to use. Did you buy the template to install the lift?

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    For anyone considering noise as an issue and we all should a water cooled CNC spindle is way and beyond the AUK in the quietness stakes and I have stood beside both. I tried my CNC water cooled spindle as mentioned in one of my other threads without water and I was astounded at the low level of noise to the point at fairly low speeds it was nearly undetectable if it was enclosed in a cabinet. Yesterday we added the water cooling and found it is quieter again which is an added bonus. The run out as mentioned by Evan is also way less than a router, an AUK I haven't measured but I expect it to be better that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    For anyone considering noise as an issue and we all should a water cooled CNC spindle is way and beyond the AUK in the quietness stakes and I have stood beside both. I tried my CNC water cooled spindle as mentioned in one of my other threads without water and I was astounded at the low level of noise to the point at fairly low speeds it was nearly undetectable if it was enclosed in a cabinet. Yesterday we added the water cooling and found it is quieter again which is an added bonus. The run out as mentioned by Evan is also way less than a router, an AUK I haven't measured but I expect it to be better that as well.
    Chris, one of the reasons I’m looking at the AUK is that it fits in the Incra lift. Not sure if other models would fit?

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    Groeneaj, no, I did not use the commercial template.

    All I did was used some MDF (probably some 16mm, as I use a lot of that) to make a simple frame around the actual lifter plate. Snug but not crazy tight. Tacked it together with some pins/staples. Then used that with a bearing straight bit. I just matched the bit size with the radius of the corners. Drew a line where I wanted it, lined that up with the inside of one of the edges.

    It probably took 5 times longer to make the frame than the job took.

    I use the same approach to make holes in the speakers that are commissioned off me Attached is a picture of the kind of jig I make. Its super dooper accurate....



    frame jig speaker.jpg frame jig speaker accuracy.jpg

    CP's advice of water cooled CNC motors is absolutely bang on. I would have gone this path... and was intending to do so for YEARS, there must be one hundred posts on the forum with my asking questions along this path, but I couldn't find a spindle that would fit any commercial lifter. So I bought the AUK. Guess what came out 2 months after that purchase..... yep, a water cooled spindle motor that would slide right in.... karma!

    Keep in mind that a spindle still needs one to buy a VFD, or controller, and futz around a bit. Its an excellent option if you are seeking a bit of DIY.

    Myself, sometimes I just take the lazy mans option and just buy the off-the-shelf solutions ....

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    Default Clean Sweep Inserts - 100% worth every cent

    Thought to add, the clean sweep inserts are worth every cent.

    The difference they make is amazing. Dust is severely minimised.

    I rarely use anything but the largest one though.... typical, but the set and use one exclusively..... Im like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by groeneaj View Post
    Chris, one of the reasons I’m looking at the AUK is that it fits in the Incra lift. Not sure if other models would fit?
    Andy give me a call, I left a message on your phone. I think the Incra s the same as the Kreg and different pads can be gotten for those to match the diameter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    CP's advice of water cooled CNC motors is absolutely bang on. I would have gone this path... and was intending to do so for YEARS, there must be one hundred posts on the forum with my asking questions along this path, but I couldn't find a spindle that would fit any commercial lifter. So I bought the AUK. Guess what came out 2 months after that purchase..... yep, a water cooled spindle motor that would slide right in.... karma!

    Keep in mind that a spindle still needs one to buy a VFD, or controller, and futz around a bit. Its an excellent option if you are seeking a bit of DIY.

    Myself, sometimes I just take the lazy mans option and just buy the off-the-shelf solutions ....
    There is no additional cost for the VFD as the kits come complete with everything.
    CHRIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    Andy give me a call, I left a message on your phone. I think the Incra s the same as the Kreg and different pads can be gotten for those to match the diameter.
    Got your voicemail just before Chris, I’ll give you a buzz over the weekend [emoji106]

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