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9th February 2017, 07:23 PM #16SENIOR MEMBER
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I seem to regularly see second hand Parken drill presses on Gum tree. Parken are Australian made top quality, when new they cost a fortune, second hand have seen a few at a reasonable price.
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10th February 2017, 03:37 AM #18New Member
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After reading a lot of opinions on the Bosch PBD 40 model, it seems to be very loud to me.
So I am still on the hunt business for a nice drill press...
Tried to find the Parken ones on eBay and Gum Three but didn'd find any at the moment.
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11th February 2017, 10:25 PM #19New Member
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Does anyone have a Sherwood (sold by Timbecon)?
I am looking at their top model:
https://www.timbecon.com.au/drilling...ty-drill-press
Specs:
Motor Size: 1100W (1 1/2HP)
# of Speeds: 16
Speed Range: 160 - 3000rpm
Spindle Travel: 80mm
Swing: 430mm
Chuck Capacity: 1 - 16mm (keyless)
Quill Size: 75mm
Base - Chuck 640mm
Post Diameter: 80mm
Table Size: 356 x 356mm
Base Size:485 x 290mm
Height When Assembled: 1635mm
Machine Weight: 79kg
Price: $699.00 (inc GST)
The other one I had a look was the Carbatec:
Specs:
Chuck To Base: 1135mm
Chuck to Table Max: 680mm
Column to Drill Centre: 180mm
Drill Chuck Capacity: 3mm to 16mm
Drilling Capacity: 19mm (3/4") steel
Morse Taper: MT2
Motor: 750W (1.0HP) Induction, 10A plug
Stroke: 82mm
Table Size: 290mm x 290mm
Tilt Type & DegreeTable: 360°
Work Light Provision: Yes
Workshop Footprint (WxDxH):360mm x 650mm x 1620mm
Shipping Weight: 86kg
Speed Range (RPM): 120 - 3000 RPM
Base size: 270mm x 440mm
Nett Weight: 80kg
Price: $629.00 (inc GST)
Any experience/thoughts on these?
Shipping cost looks reasonable for both too.
Thanks once again!!
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12th February 2017, 10:24 AM #20
Quite close, aren't they?
Going by the specs and description I would plump for the Sherwood; it's the little things like the belt cover microswitch interlock that demonstrate it is designed for a worldwide market (this item is one of the minimum specs rqd for CE certification). If you lived in Perth or Melbourne you'd be able to visit both emporia and physically examine them but in your case that's just not really feasible.
If you ever decide to use big bits though I would also be purchasing an old fashioned keyed chuck (McJing or Aliexpress); keyless are handy and convenient but even the real top notch brands like Rohn or Jacobs don't hold as tightly as you would like.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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12th February 2017, 10:46 AM #21
If I had to choose between those two I would go for the Sherwood
Stronger motor (1.5hp vs 1 hp)
Bigger swing (430 vs 360mm)
Longer warranty (5 vs 2? yrs)
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12th February 2017, 10:51 AM #22.
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The third machine to look at would be this Hare and Forbes machine and its specs are the 3rd one listed best features are in green
D598 | PD-440 Belt Drive - Pedestal Drill | For Sale Sydney Brisbane Melbourne Perth | Buy Workshop Equipment & Machinery online at machineryhouse.com.au
I've seen all these drills and have had a version of the Timbecon unit for ~10 years
I bought my machine on special for $465 and the main thing I would have like more of is spindel travel.
Mine also does not have the crappy plastic handles on it like the latest models but has handles like the H&F machine - the plastic knobs fell off a couple of years ago and I replaced these with wooden balls.
Mine had a 1HP motor, and did not have a keyless chuck but have since bought 4 keyless chucks, One each for the DP, and the others are for my lathes.
The second upgrade I did was added an external easy riser and got rid of the crank system that lowers and raises the table
In 2012 I added a VFD and a 1.5HP Motor and that has been one of the best upgrades I have done to any machine in my shed.
I use it nearly every day mainly for MW. It has done a heap of work including drilling 32 mm diameter holes in up to 1/2" steel using MT3 drill bits
They are all basic HD DPs, the castings may be far from perfect and it will be lottery as to their runout and general sloppiness of the units.
Listed below are the Timbecon specs followed by the Carbatec, followed by the H&F machine
Red text shows where I reckon the Timbecon machine is superior and in Blue where the Carbatec machine is superior and green for the H&F
NS = not specified.
Motor Size: 1.5HP , 1HP , 1.5HP
Spindle Taper MT: 3, 2, 3
# of Speeds: 16, 16, 12
Speed Range: 160 - 3000rpm, 120 - 3000 RPM, 150 -2450rpm
Spindle Travel: 80mm, 82 mm, 120 mm
Swing: 430mm, 360 mm. 440 mm
Chuck Capacity: 1 - 16mm (keyless) 3mm to 16mm, NS - looks like a 3 to 16 mm
Quill Size: 75mm, NS, NS
Base - Chuck 640mm, 680 mm, spinde to base 725 mm
Post Diameter: 80mm, NS, 92 mm
Table Size: 356 x 356mm, 290mm x 290mmm 350 x 350 mm
Base Size:485 x 290mm, 270mm x 440mm, NS
Height When Assembled: 1635mm, 1620, 1710mm
Machine Weight: 79kg , 80kg, 110kg
Price: $699.00, $629, $770
The Timbecon has the advantages of the keyless chuck and biggest table size. It also has very good swing.
The carbatec has the lowest price, best speed range, the disadvantages are the poor swing, the low motor power and only an MT2 spindle
The H&F is much heavier and has the far superior spindle travel (this is one of the most important features of a DP) . However it has a reduce speed range and fewer speeds.
If I was buying again now I would go with the H&F machine, because of the spindle travel and the weight of the machine (these are things that cannot be added easily).
Then replace the chuck with a keyless (keep the keyed chuck for larger bits) and take care of the speeds issue with a VFD.
This would take it up to about $1k but it should be a superior machine
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12th February 2017, 11:48 AM #23New Member
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Thanks Chief Tiff for your comms. You are right, just not feasible flying to see the machines personally.
What would be a big bit in your opinion?
Also, can you please clarify the nomenclature below (as I am a knob)
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- quill size
Is the column to drill centre distance 180mm too small? Does it means the work piece can't be drilled if the hole is 200mm from its edge, for instance?
Thanks for tou reply!
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12th February 2017, 12:49 PM #24.
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For me a bit bit would be a 50 mm Forstner bit in wood or a 25 mm hole in a steel plate.
swing
quill size
A large quill may help reduce slop in the drilling system.
Is the column to drill centre distance 180mm too small? Does it means the work piece can't be drilled if the hole is 200mm from its edge, for instance?
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12th February 2017, 01:40 PM #25
With regards to what I consider a "big" bit to be in a keyless chuck I class any drill bit with a reduced shank like these. They generally have a 12mm or 1/2" shank so they can fit into smaller chucks and are commonly used in portable hand drills by people who don't like their wrists anymore...
Just to expand a little on Bobl's comments on spindle travel; for drilling one hole at a time generally the range of movement is pretty irrelevant. There are few times when you might want to drill a hole more than a couple of inches deep in any material. However; when you are performing multiple operations in the same hole such as drilling, tapping, reaming, countersinking or counterboring; the spindle travel suddenly becomes very important. If you are drilling an 8mm hole with 70mm of drill bit hanging out of the chuck and then want to countersink it you might find that 80mm of travel won't get the countersink bit down far enough and you have to raise the table, meaning that your hole is no longer perfectly lined up with the spindle centre anymore. This issue affects metalworking more than woodworking but even if the accuracy isn't quite as important it's a real PITA having to move the table and try to realign the work again. I have 100mm of travel on my Waldown and sometimes struggle.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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18th February 2017, 05:54 PM #27New Member
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Guys, despite the fact that I really wanted to have a real and proper drill press, I cannot deny that I would not use it daily and maybe not even weekly...
So... balancing drill press price, shipping cost, usage and level of precision (mostly wood and a bit of metal), I have to choose the Bosch PBD 40 710watts (despite its noise).
Shipping cost on every drill was too expensive for NT, so I will ask a friend that does flies to my place every week, to bring it in from Bunnings - $399 and no shipping cost - if anyone knows a better price, please let me know
Thanks all for your support!
Once I get my drill, I will continue accessing this great forum!!!
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20th February 2017, 10:05 PM #28New Member
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The good news is that the cyclone coming towards us in Groote Eylandt, turned around to south [emoji28]
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2nd May 2017, 03:47 PM #29
Thanks BobL - just what I needed. Looks like H&F will be receiving an order shortly Now, to track down a VFD and keyless chuck...
I think, therefore I am... unable to get anything finished!
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I have 3 of them for CS with different shank sizes.
1/2", 1/4" and 3/16" (Sorry couldn't find the CS that fits that one)
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