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    Default Vertical Up stick "how To" completed

    Hi guys
    Further to the thread on positional weld – overhead welding- I have completed the basic information on vertical up welding. I will keep it as basic as possible so keep in mind it is written for a DIYer MMA stick function.
    You will see other variations to this around the net ,but I consider this the simplest for beginners.
    Please keep firmly in mind the short arc comments I made in the previous Overhead welding posts.

    Some basic principles need to be observed when attempting the vertical up weld position.

    1. Welding with an electrode type suitable to the position ie; 6012 and 6013 type mild steel electrodes for mild steel parent metal.
    2. .Using an electrode diameter of sufficiently small diameter to allow control of a size /volume the molten arc pool.
    3. .Using a short arc technique.
    4. Observing a pause at each end of the side motion of the electrode.See the diagram below.
    5. “Snapping” the electrode between the pause points ,thus minimizing the molten metal build up in the middle of the weld bead
    6. Amperage the same or maybe slightly less than standard downhand amps.

    Most vertical up welds for DIY are the fillet welds involving welding of two intersecting pieces of metal. Vertical up in general is suitable for heavier plate say 6mm and thicker, It’s a slow moving weld ,so a fairly large heat input is present. Ok got it? Not suitable for sheet thicknesses unless you are into burning through and filling big holes..

    Tacks
    Don’t do them where you are going to weld over them. This causes finished weld profile problems and potential slag inclusion- holes- gaps –pockets etc. Instead place your tacks on the upper and lower horizontal adjacent surfaces. Placed there ,distortion is also controlled much better.

    Electrode Angles
    Between 10 to 5 0 below horizontal stops the molten flux from mixing with the molten metal.

    Overlapping of Passes
    If we consider each left to right and right to left movement a “pass” the amount of overlapping is important. It is like building a brick wall. Each pass is horizontal .Each “pass” should overlap the preceding one by half .Beginners make the mistake of trying to “climb” too quickly and leave big slag holes between passes.

    The Upward Movement

    Make the upward transition at the pause position. It takes practice to judge how much as the vertical distance is only half a bead width wide.

    Stop and Re start

    A vertical up bead will consume quite a few electrodes. On running out of electrode, break the arc quickly to leave an egg shaped crater. The re-strike of the new electrode should be done 10mm or so vertically above the crater. Lift and elongate the arc to 7 or 8mm out and move it back to where your last broke the arc on the previous electrode. Done in this fashion the blend in, will be almost undetectable with practice.

    Finishing the bead
    As the top is reached the heat build will concentrate around the edges of the plate. Stop for a period of time when the last 10 mm or so comes up. Allow the heat to dissipate and restart after a minute or so.

    Those with small capacity machines will notice that the circuit breaker is prone to throw. All I can suggest is place a fan behind it to assist cooling.

    This weld needs a lot of practice.

    Cheers
    Grahame

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    Thanks heaps again Grahame. Now it's of to the shed to practice.

    Paul
    All these projects. Not enough lifetimes to finish them.
    Paul

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    Just a query Grahame, do you advise the use of a root weld (straight vertical up) run up the join prior to starting the waeving vertical weld? This is how I was taught and have never even tried without.
    Have a nice day - Cheers

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    Hi Woodbutcher

    Root runs are optional dependent on whether you want a larger build up or not .If trying to avoid a build up or heat concentration they can be dispensed with.

    Bridging across the gap is just that little bit harder.
    If Teaching in a Tafe situation,I would include the root run.

    For what we Diyers are getting into mostly I wouldn't bother.
    I'll get the camera out soon and do some samples.

    Grahame

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    Default Butt Weld pics

    I had a butt weld to do on some angled brackets. One would usually do this as a downhand flat butt weld, but since we are talking about vertical up, why not kill two birds with one stone.

    I stated previously I believe most DIY vertical up applications are in fillet welds usually internal corners.
    However the techniques used in the weld are the same.
    The difference is the fillet weld does not need a groove made for it.

    First pic is of the preparation .It is in 10mm plate with vee preps and a landing edge of say 3mm thick.
    The second pic the root run is placed in with the electrode on short arc length and working each edge alternately

    Third pic is the 2nd pass.It does completely fill the groove.I have deliberately left a small amount of incompletely filled groove.The reason is that the manipulation of the cap pass is much easier as there is less to fill. Note the crater which is an important feature of the re start.

    In the last pic blind freddy can see the inclusion where I did NOT clean the slag out of the last pass well enough.
    Last edited by Grahame Collins; 28th February 2010 at 10:52 PM.

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