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5th July 2017, 11:01 PM #1
Brand new Titan plane iron!
Ok; bit of a tool gloat here ... and a sob story .
I recently picked up this liddle bewdy; it's a brand-spankers new Titan 2" plane iron in its original packaging with not a trace of dirt, rust, greasy fingerprints or nothing. It's as if the purchaser took it home, put it into a drawer and then never opened it again for the next three or four decades.
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Ever since I discovered that Stanley Australia made HSS tipped irons that are regarded as some of the best irons ever made for Bailey type planes I've been on the hunt for at least one user. Looking at various websites I am led to believe that Stanley took over Titan but I have no idea when they would have re-branded the irons. I have seen plenty of new Stanley HSS irons come up on Fleabay etc and there are plenty of pictures online of them but I've never seen a Titan still in its packaging. Come to think of it; the only places I've ever even seen a picture of a Titan iron is on The Village Woodworker/HTPAA and peter McBride's sites; and the ones on show aren't as pretty as mine.
Would anyone be able to give me a reasonable date range for this? Is it 50's, 60's or even 70's manufacture? It has a couple of lines written in blue Bic: " 1x/-" and "33/6" which mean little to me; even if the second one is the price in pre-decimal coinage 33 shillings ans sixpence seems a LOT of money to spend on a plane iron; and is unusual anyway because it should read "1 Pound, 13 shillings and sixpence". Guesses, anyone?
And now the soul-crushingly despondent part... I think it may be too good to use!
I usually purposefully avoid anything labelled "mint in box" or similar because I want to use it; when I see something from yesteryear all shiny and new I instinctively think that it should remain so in a museum or collection that can be enjoyed by many. Because I know Stanley HSS irons aren't uncommon I wouldn't have an issue with tossing the packaging and getting stuck in
to one of those; but this may be a rare little bit of Aus history. At the very least I'm going to take some decent pictures of it and offer them gratis to the HTPAA and anyone else who wants them.
Am I being a tad presumptuous here? Should I just get it honed and fitted or will I hear screams of anguish as soon as the lacquer coating is removed?Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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5th July 2017, 11:11 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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33/6 was the price which translates to one pound thirteen shillings and sixpence because I can't figure out how to do a pounds sign on the keyboard.
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6th July 2017, 07:18 AM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Calling Doggie!
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Thoroughly jealous. I agree, it's a hard call. I'd love to have one myself.
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6th July 2017, 10:55 PM #5
I would suffer the same dilemma. I suspect, in the end I'd put it aside and look for a used one .
Both those figures are pre-decimal prices. It was not uncommon to write £1 13s 6d as 33/6 - but that seems a little high for a plane blade back then. It seems like maybe 1x/- was the price (anything from 10 shillings to 19 shillings). And (for example) 12 shillings could be written as 12s 0d, 12/0, or the more common 12/-.
edit: I just had another look at the photos. It looks like 33/6 is the price - I don't know what the 1x/- is about . Maybe the retailer had sold 1 out of a box of several??
I believe you guys changed to decimal currency in 1966 (we're coming up to the 50th anniversary of our change on 10th July this year) so the iron must have been sold before then or the price would have overwritten or supplimented with a decimal price. From memory Stanley took over Titan's planes in 1964?
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6th July 2017, 10:58 PM #6
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7th July 2017, 12:20 AM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Nice find by the way. Always wanted to try one.
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7th July 2017, 12:38 AM #8
So do I!
It's taken me about two years of looking for a HSS tipped iron to get this one. I've never seen a Titan one come up on any auction site or similar; only the later Stanley badged ones.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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9th July 2017, 08:25 PM #9Senior Member
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Hi,
very glad to see this thread about Titan plane blades.
I've got one I am thinking of using in my Stanley 7 jointer plane and I'm curious to know what their characteristics as a plane blade, as I have searched the Internet before and never found any information.
BTW, I have a Stanley HSS blade I use in a bench plane dedicated to a shooting board because it keeps its edge for a long time on end grain.
Thanks
PaulNew Zealand
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9th July 2017, 08:50 PM #10
Hi Paul;
To the best of my knowledge the Stanley HSS tipped irons are simply rebadged Titan irons; so any information found on Stanleys should refer equally to Titans.
I'm hoping someone can enlighten me further as to the history of Titan blades. My research has led me to the websites of Lightwood and Scribbly Gum, while the info contained within both is enough to give me a general view I'm sure there's a lot more knowledge available.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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Chris
On a Windows computer , if you hold down the Alt key and enter 0163, you will get the £ character.
Michael
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18th July 2017, 12:21 AM #12
More on Oz plane irons.
I have an assortment of these early Bailey type plane irons.
Ealiest probably the John Shaw from their Sydney saw works.
Stanley/Titan plus a few Stanley.
Interesting Berg for Turner.
Also Samuri for block plane.
I took a few Stanley with me on a trip to the U.S. and Canada in 1983, Swapped one for a hand adze in Fiji on the way. The other I swapped for a Hock with one of Krenovs students at Fort Bragg.
I had worked for Stanley Oz in 1981 and offered to chase up places like The Cutting Edge and similar shops to see if there was a market in the U.S. I was told not to bother as they didn't have the production facility's to meet demand.
Later Paul from Academy borrowed a few for research into their hardness so I have a preproduction one of his.
H.
I've tried to post this reply before but the pics wouldn't stick so I'm trying again except now as I'm in Canada for the next 4 months can't take any better shots.Jimcracks for the rich and/or wealthy. (aka GKB '88)
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18th July 2017, 12:43 AM #13Senior Member
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I'd use it, a tool isn't a tool if it doesn't get used.
I'm not a collector so for me if it doesn't have a use it doesn't have a home, well, not with me anyway.
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1st August 2017, 10:04 PM #14
Got an IOB Stanley HSS iron too now!
Despite being a confirmed athiest I am now convinced the gods of woodworking are smiling down upon me. Just won this on flea-bay for $48 including shipping!
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Now my problem is solved; the Stanley is much more common and in a bit of a daggy state so I will have NO problems putting this one to good use and I can offer the Titan to a collector.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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