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    Default D8 Thumbhole Confused

    I pulled this of my wall saw this weekend in an endeavour to bring it back to life.
    First pic, a quick scrape removing most of the rust and gunk.
    We all lust after the etch , D8 pre 1920 I think, fantastic.(correct me if I'm wrong gurus).
    Good plate not to much pitting strait no broken teeth but there blunt no problem.
    But then I moved on to the handle
    And them I remembered I haggled the seller down from about $25 to $20au because it was missing some saw bolts.
    I reckon I can find some somewhere.
    Yes this handle only had three holes?
    I thought all D8 were five bolts not three.
    So I then removed the handle and would you believe what I found two spare holes [emoji41] I must of got a bargain.

    So have I got an extra special D8
    And some other considerations the handle has been cut trough in these two spots

    Shot of the medallion
    And finally a shot of my other D8 thumbhole saw.
    Sorry I only have two at present [emoji44].
    With five bolts and I'm pretty sure five holes in the plate too.
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    So what have I scored my self now that I have a handle with only three holes a plate with two spare holes.
    And from what I can gather from looking at my other Disston saws over the weekend I'm pretty sure but not a 100 percent my three hole saw handle looks original to me anyway.
    So saw gurus what have I got.

    Cheers Matt

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    I'd say the answer to your question is "Done over by a dodgy seller"
    modified a couple of dead saws to make one desireable/sellable one.
    Cheers, Ian
    "The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.. it can't be done.
    If you deal with the lowest bidder it is well to add something for the risk you run.
    And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better"

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    Yes Matt

    I think it is not quite right but maybe not as bad as you might first think. Just some comments in no particular order and purely as they pop out of my hair brain. The saw plate is post 1928 as the etch shows D-8. Pre 1928 would have the "8" inside of a large "D"

    The medallion shows that it is a Canadian made Disston, but so does the etch. So this is a good sign. The five holes under the handle indicate the handle is a replacement, but possibly the handle was a genuine replacement as apart from the number of screws it looks right.

    I would be leaning towards the owner who replaced the handle only having three screws left on the saw, so bearing in mind the handles were sold undrilled, and only having three screws, he only drilled three holes.

    See if the unused holes can easily be drilled and fitted to handle by laying the plate over the top. I can send you a couple of saw screws if you wish. Sometimes the topmost screw on D-8s was a smaller diameter (panel saw size) so if space looks like a problem bear that in mind.

    Lastly the saw cuts piercing the handle hole point to a refit. I have never seen one of those thumb hole saws with less than five screws. Lastly (previous "lastly" was misleading), compare the handle size of both thumbhole handles. Should be the same as they were used on 26" and bigger saws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Yes Matt

    I think it is not quite right, but maybe not ,as bad as you might first think. Just some comments in no particular order and purely as they pop out of my hair brain. The saw plate is post 1928 as the etch shows D-8. Pre 1928 would have the "8" inside of a large "D"

    The medallion shows that it is a Canadian made Disston, but so does the etch. So this is a good sign. The five holes under the handle indicate the handle is a replacement, but possibly the handle was a genuine replacement as apart from the number of screws it looks right.

    I would be leaning towards the owner who replaced the handle only having three screws left on the saw, so bearing in mind the handles were sold undrilled, and only having three screws, he only drilled three holes.

    See if the unused holes can easily be drilled and fitted to handle by laying the plate over the top. I can send you a couple of saw screws if you wish. Sometimes the topmost screw on D-8s was a smaller diameter (panel saw size) so if space looks like a problem bear that in mind.

    Lastly the saw cuts piercing the handle hole point to a refit. I have never seen one of those thumb hole saws with less than five screws. Lastly (previous "lastly" was misleading), compare the handle size of both thumbhole handles. Should be the same as they were used on 26" and bigger saws.

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    Thank you for not going to far to the left[emoji849].


    Not thinking it's bad in anyway.
    I got two holes for free ,lol plus ,thumbhole saws generally don't go for only $20 as far as I know.
    Yes agree ,it's post 1928 because of the design of the etch.
    Now ,I wasn't aware you could buy a handle with no holes back in 1928 ish.
    But ,that does make a lot of sense tho.
    Funny you should mention D 8 because ,after I recovered from winning two more holes.
    I took down another D8 for some Matt love.
    And put the non thumbhole D8 plate over the top of the D8 thumbhole and the holes were nearly a perfect match.
    But ,not as good has I thought they would have been ,possibly out by 1 or two 2 mm.

    Pics of the non hole D8

    I think I might take you up on your offer Paul if you are sure you have some spare bolts.
    But ,I wait till I'm back studying the wall of saws which may not be till the weekend.


    Cheers Matt

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    Actually Paul,
    Now that I've given your idea as much thought as I give a lot of ideas.
    I think your right one slack D8 thumbhole saw user couldn't be bothered doing five holes when "Ye no worries mate threes heaps",will do.
    And now that you graced me with your saw wisdom of being able to buy replacement handles.
    That makes a lot sense.

    Cheers Matt

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    No problem Matt: Just let me know your requirements (screws that is)......Ahem... Saw screws. And I will send them on to you cleaned but not polished.

    A funny thing is that amongst american saws the D8/D-8 is ubiquitous and yet despite having a number of spare handles I am yet to find one that exactly matches any given plate! A little disappointing. It is a peculiar humour of mine that the holes in the plate have to match without modification. A very limiting parameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    No problem Matt: Just let me know your requirements (screws that is)......Ahem... Saw screws. And I will send them on to you cleaned but not polished.

    A funny thing is that amongst american saws the D8/D-8 is ubiquitous and yet despite having a number of spare handles I am yet to find one that exactly matches any given plate! A little disappointing. It is a peculiar humour of mine that the holes in the plate have to match without modification. A very limiting parameter.

    Regards
    Paul
    Paul
    I agree I would have thought for a company as big as Disston.
    A jig a whole machine just for punching the holes in the same plate shape, day in day out.
    I though they would all be identical!!!

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    Matt

    Following your email, I found the thread with the thumbhole D8 so I can see that you need two pairs of saw screws.

    Regards
    Paul
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    Thanks Paul
    Yes two saw screws for the D8

    Thanks heaps
    Matt


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