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    Default Concord Ryde Sailing Club Sydney welcomes homebuilt boats

    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    Hi Ross,

    There are not so many Beths around. But a few GIS. Is it OK if I frame your invitation as a standing request for storer boats and others of the ilk to join in racing at Concord Ryde Sailing Club and see how they like it.

    BTW, why were they thinking of a restriction of length. Did that come from the local council or something like that.

    Best wishes

    MIK
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    In answer to your first question, absolutely! CRSC, like most clubs is predominantly one design. (For adults, Herons, Spirals, NS14s, Tasers and yes Firebugs + assorted cats. Fortunately, we are open to "anything mono" under 15'11" in our "A Class."

    Concord Ryde has a different viewpoint from many clubs about introducing kids and adults to sailing. It is about fun, learning but not about putting kids into a competition stream from the beginning ... let them discover what they want to do.

    Our management committee share the view which we share, I think; that YA's (Peak Body - Yachting Association of Australia) vision of exclusively one design elite boats is holding back the sport. The mayor of Ryde attended our prize giving. "I want my kids to experience each sport for a year." It's a common view, and we'll put them in b****y Optis. In the unlikely event that they develop an interest, or necessary level of skill in one year, that would feed into the Yachting Association model.

    Get them into a PDR or Firebug, let them experience the tactile joy of timber curving into a hull, as they share building with parent or grandparent and sailing grows from, just another sport, to a way of being. A way of being which does not hide from failure, but teaches using it; a way of being that accepts only your best endeavour and honours that for a lifetime. Sorry for waxing lyrical.

    My reply to our Mayor, and any other parent who thinks like that, is "sailing is an identity, a way of life and an education package, with a point at one end."

    To your second question, some members wanted the same limit as for cats. Thanks to feedback from AlexN and others, it deflated very quickly.

    To anybody reading this, one of the biggest problems for homebuilt dinghies is the absence of competitive fleets. Herons and Sabres, can be homebuilt, but the tolerances are quite demanding, this discourages novice builders. MIK's designs and CRSC's Firebugs don't need tight tolerances, particularly the scows. With numbers, we can build up more of the infrastructure of class racing, handicap numbers etc.

    Recall, on this of all days, the poster of Field Marshall Kitchener pointing down at you!

    Well sailing needs homeboat builders and CRSC will make you welcome in Sydney.

    Ross Venner

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    Default Concord Ryde Sailing Club Sydney welcomes homebuilt boats

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    Recall, on this of all days, the poster of Field Marshall Kitchener pointing down at you! Well sailing needs homeboat builders and CRSC will make you welcome in Sydney.
    Bugger, got excited catching up on this thread till I heard about the length restriction - we have a 16.5" Ness Boat and usually launch in Canada Bay, I've sailed up to Concord to watch the racing once or twice. Have gotten enthusiastic about racing at times, but apparently you don't sail with Drummoyne if you've got a boat you don't want people to run into, and Parramatta River sailing club is more for bigger yachts.

    Robin

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    Default Robin - Have you thought of organising a "raid"?

    Robin, I can't see CRSC allowing longer boats for racing, but would love you to visit.

    We launch off what was once a wide sandy beach, but it is being severely eroded by the passing RiverCat ferries. It makes handling bigger boats tricky on the beach tricky. Low tide, or the top of a very high tide might be best.

    I have been told that when she was transport minister Gladys Berejiklian denied that her 22 kt, 1000 hp ferries were the source of damage to the beaches and mangroves of the Parramatta River. That these natural systems had developed since the sea level rise at the end of the last ice age and were suddenly being trashed since the ferries were introduced was less important than the indisputable fact the Parramatta is a marginal seat. Politics - have a stiff drink and...

    In Europe a number of sail and oar events are organised for boats like iain Oughtread's Ness Boat. They sound like terrific fun, and among the most popular participants are MIK's Goat Island Skiffs. If you were to organise a Sydney Harbour Raid, it might prove very popular. If you were to come up with such an event, I am sure CRSC would attempt to make you welcome.

    Perhaps a separate thread?

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    Hi Ross,

    Regarding the river cats, yes they definitely had a big affect on the beach at Abbotsford point. Commuting by ferry is lovely though, I wonder if a scaled up Bolger Tennessee or similar would leave less of a wake… if only we knew some world renowned boat designer who specialised in these craft, perhaps we could organise a "people who'd like to keep beaches on the Parramatta River but would also like to keep a ferry service" kickstarter...

    Quote Originally Posted by RossV View Post
    If you were to organise a Sydney Harbour Raid, it might prove very popular. If you were to come up with such an event, I am sure CRSC would attempt to make you welcome.
    I love reading stories from the Florida Challenge and other RAIDs, and had mused about the best location for an Australian event with a similar long multi-day stretch of sheltered or exposed waterways - Surfers to Bundaberg or Storm Boy country are two I thought about. I'm not sure I'm up to organise (or participate in) a multi-day event or whether it's possible to organise a casual-enough thing that we don't have to do insurance, incorporate an association but a RAID from Concord to Roseville would be fun, if that fits the concept. I'll start a separate thread but we may eventually need to create a Facebook group or a Meetup as it will get a bit off topic for Mik's forum (the RiverGoat ferry thread can stay)...

    Cheers,
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    Howdy Robin,I did once enter a race for 16ft boats in BETH. Even though she's just under if you include the rudder. Everyone was very interested and I don't think the thought of pulling out the tape measure even occurred.I think that turning up or sailing in would probably have the same effect. If you were going to regularly race, there might be problems and the restriction would likely be reluctantly enforced.But look ... you do have an invitation.I'll move this to a separate thread.MIK

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    Default Thanks to Robin and MIK

    Guys,

    Thanks for responses. There will eventually be only two classes of dinghy club, those which are dominated by elite sailors, and would be elite sailors, where the protest committees will work most weeks, and the clubs for those who do not wish to be glory hounds. CRSC will always be a home for the latter a real community of sailors. Until the RiverCats wash us away. Hopefully long after I am in the next dimension.

    Robin, I will watch the Sydney Raid thread with great interest.

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    Default RAID Sydney

    Hi All,

    Rather than create a new thread I thought I'd setup a Meetup website for RAID Sydney: http://www.meetup.com/raidsydney/. The first trip is a sheltered jaunt up the Parramatta River to Ryde bridge and back followed by a picnic on Sunday September 14. Any Sydney Goats, Canoe Yawls, Gaffers, Rowboats are more than welcome. I have no idea what to expect, but please spread the word.

    Cheers,
    Robin

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    Howdy Robin,

    Balmain Sailing Club has some skiff and traditional dinghy action sometimes.

    Sydney Amateur Sailing Club runs various gaff events ... most are yachts but they have a bunch of dinghy owners too.

    Also the Sydney wooden boat association would like to know.

    MIK

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