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  1. #31
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    Default Boat building musings

    The interesting thing about amateur boat building is the problem solving aspect.

    I put the problem solving into two categories
    1. The learning of new techniques and methods (seems like every job has this aspect)
    2. Working out how to fix up the stuff ups when 1. was not terribly successful.

    Anyway after a week full of problem solving both one and two the hull is plumb, filleted, taped and gooed with stems and watchamacallit hole blocks fitted.

    First problem the stem to fix the panel end gaps. This one is the first attempt the stick I started with was way too small but was good practice and I got to break out the reconditioned #78 an ebay special, works atreat.

    Attachment 115631

    As you can see it's not quite up to the task but it did show me my angle measuring was lacking so on to the second go.

    Attachment 115632

    This time I cut a rebate at the correct angle and depth then planned the rest with a bit of a concave for the pox to hold and this one has about 25mm of gluing surface with the added bonus of enough space for the watchamacallit hole.

    Attachment 115633

    Here we go fits like a glove and the offcut will be fitted at the other end

    Attachment 115634

    A last check everything is plumb don't worry about the tie downs they are only just tensioned to hold things. I added a couple of gunwale props about 450 back from the stems to achieve a fair curve as I found the gunwale was a bit straight from the bulkhead. The pine battens I'm using where a bit stiff at 19mm so I planed them down to 15mm which made them a bit soft plus the wavy grain meant a few hard spots but I don't think it affects things too much.

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    End of session one

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    Ready for the mini fillets.

    Attachment 115640

    Hmm.......problem solving 1. new technique this filleting thing is not as easy as it looks.

    Attachment 115641

    After getting covered in goo I noticed the panel joins were not as good as I thought so added some props. You can see my fillet skills needs some work.

    Attachment 115642

    I glued the stem before starting on the fillets a couple of strategically placed screws holds things...did I mention I'm painting the hull white I think.

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    More problem solving, after the mini filleting affair I decided to do the main fillets in two goes and while waiting for things to harden I thought I'd cut the bulkheads. Opps a little too much clamping and sproing a section of fillets let go, darn. Restiched and will just fillet over the wire if I can't get them out after too bad.



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    Darn number 2, after finishing the fillets I stood back to admire my handy work and promptly noticed I had missed the flat spots at the bilge joins. Hmm and after all the careful pushing and pulling of the gunwale and in the stems how did I miss this. Oh well a white hull will hide it I think, did I mention I'm painting the hull.

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    End session two

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    In between poxing I thought I'd cut out the bulkheads more problem solving. Miks plans show measurements for the bulkheads and by gum they were pretty close for my hull but I need to try something new and this is my practice joggle measuring.

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    Here is the end result still need to cut the deck camber but I'll fit some cleats and things before that to try and get a good fit.

    Attachment 115647

    So this is the current state of play ready for cleating the tanks and fit the bulkheads should be able to get that done this week.

    Attachment 115648

    So ends this weeks problem solving.

    Post script: After filleting large seams like these for the first time I'm not sure it is worth all the mucking around it is a very time consuming and fiddly business. Think I would just tape the seams if I built another one.

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    Looks really sweet mike.

    Nice job!

    I agree with your comments about filleting vs tape. But I won't complain if people want to choose either. It is pretty personal.

    MIK

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    These canoes are dainty flamin' things aren't they, you'll find Coquina (sp?) a little bit different methinks LD

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddles View Post
    These canoes are dainty flamin' things aren't they, you'll find Coquina (sp?) a little bit different methinks LD

    Richard
    Yes and absolutely, I'm beginning to think just maybe I have bitten off more than I can chew. Voluminous problem solving in fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2c1Iw View Post
    Yes and absolutely, I'm beginning to think just maybe I have bitten off more than I can chew. Voluminous problem solving in fact
    Nah, if you can build a stitch and glue canoe, building a lapstrake, real boat will be a doddle

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    Default Wood sculpturing

    Hello again fellow wooden boat tragics,

    Hmmm........three weeks since I posted something amazing how time flies.

    Things have been progressing and today I made a couple of deck beams.

    That Bitingmidge has a lot to answer for cause after admiring his build I thought the beams added such a lot I had to make them. Plus I figure the deck is an obvious place for people to lift the canoe and as I'm using 4mm ply a bit of extra bracing in this area is wise.

    So here we are the bulkheads fitted, deck framing done and the sculptured beams ready to glue after the inwales have been fitted.

    Attachment 117646

    The bow beam has a little coaming incorporated so a bit of chiseling, planing was called for well after I cut a trench with a small dove tail bit in a trimmer

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    The bow end came out so well, to me anyway that I changed my mind and did one for the stern as well. I was going to leave the stern deck square but have cut a shallower curve and instead of a coaming there is a rebate so the deck ply will be flush. Why do I have to complicate things.

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    Here is a pic of the tools I used, I now have two new favourite planes my new bullnose and the trusty rebate.

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    Now as we have some nice curvy bits I needed to cut a pattern so as to cut the ply to shape so after a rough marking out on some cardboard using the back curve of the beam I refined the curve using a compass to remark the exact shape.

    Attachment 117650

    Thats it for the minute, I've glued up one inwale side spacers ready for the next installment.

    Cheers
    Mike

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    Fine
    I like your woodwork
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    Thanks Mik I have come across one small problem.

    When I glued the deck cleats on I didn't notice they had flattened out the hull curve So I may need to do a bit more whittling perhaps a couple of mini spreaders under the deck. That's the only problem with fitting the gunwales last I guess.

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    Was that a procedural problem with the plan Mike? If the change is fair and local it will probably be OK.

    For example I could change it to talk about the deck clamps going in first then the deck being shaped.

    MIK

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    I'll take a pic or two to show you it's not a big deal. I think it is the combination of my using 4mm ply and reducing the size of the temporary gunwales to 15mm which allowed the side panel to flatten out. I should have noticed it when I glued them in.

    I could have used a couple of sticks to prop the sides out while things set up.

    If gluing the gunwales first then fitting the deck it would not be an issue but then the deck would not look so nice

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    Inspiring pics of some lovely woodwork Mike. An opportunity to get out the nice tools. You've really got a leg on while my back was turned. Now I'll go and read it all more carefully. My phone was great but not good for following too many pic-threads (the bill was horrendous from all my logging on).(I had the sort of mobile bill parents of teen-agers have nightmares about)

    Is that big rebater a Stanley 778? I used to have one of those but someone pinched it. Where were you on the night of the 16th of June 1976?
    What caused the Pacific War? A book to read: here

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    Ah huh he is back and I'll bet that phone bill is still not as big as my youngest daughters from last month.

    As for the 78 well back in 1976 I didn't have a clue what a 78 was or what you did with it so twern't me Your Honour. In fact some say I still don't know what one does with it.

    Seriously I bought this one off ebay and it was complete after tuning thanks to the forum it does a fantastic job, apart from that nicker thing, the not so brilliant piece of design.
    I'm ready to cut gains galore.

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