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    Default Family Sailing / Goat and Sooty Tern sailing together

    Hi All, have been away from this forum quite a while. Built a Goat about 5 years ago. Just posted some pictures of sailing on Lake Wakatipu (Queenstown New Zealand) on the WBF.

    Might copy some of the pictures across to here, in the meantime they're visible here:

    A Sooty Tern and a Goat Island Skiff on Lake Wakatipu

    Interesting to see the Goat next to a Sooty Tern / compare how they perform.

    Ian

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    Pictures here:


    Lake Wakatipu, Kelvin Heights area:




    All those below are from a day trip from 12 Mile Delta to Bobs Cove and return.

    The yawl in the background of a couple of shots is an Iain Oughtred Sooty Tern, built and sailed by friends of ours from Dunedin.







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    Stunning photos Ian, beautiful location.

    I particularly like the one with the GIS tied up to the jetty. During my build my son asked me a couple weeks ago how far up the sides I'm going to paint the waterline. I laughed and said there isn't one, the GIS floats above it. He didn't believe me of course and despite me explaining how the boat only weighs maybe 60-70kg all up and going on about displacement and buoyancy, he still didn't buy it....until now I showed him your photo. Though he says the bow rope must be holding the boat up .

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    LOL, brilliant. I've been through callsign's blog before but can't remember those pics. Some great shots showing the GIS floating above water, so to speak, and no trickery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanHowick View Post
    Hi All, have been away from this forum quite a while. Built a Goat about 5 years ago. Just posted some pictures of sailing on Lake Wakatipu (Queenstown New Zealand) on the WBF.

    Might copy some of the pictures across to here, in the meantime they're visible here:

    A Sooty Tern and a Goat Island Skiff on Lake Wakatipu

    Interesting to see the Goat next to a Sooty Tern / compare how they perform.

    Ian
    So um.....how DID they actually perform? Which boat was faster under which points of sail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdiver View Post
    So um.....how DID they actually perform? Which boat was faster under which points of sail?
    We had a beat to windward in light conditions, around a small headland to a beach for a picnic. Return a couple of tacks to get out of the bay then a run back to our starting point.

    Map here: 12 Mile Delta to Bobs Cove

    All in light conditions, we both got out the oars for 10 minutes to get around the headland on the way there. The Goat is a lot faster on all points of sail in those conditions, but that would be expected, it's displacement with crew on board is perhaps a quarter of Ian's Sooty Tern but it has the same, perhaps a fraction more sail area. Ian has his boat quite heavily ballasted, perhaps 100 - 150 kg of gravel in bags around his centreboard.

    The previous day we sailed from Frankton Arm into the open lake, wind was stronger and waves from a fetch of about 40 km. With a solid crew on board the GIS, we would have both been hiking hard and had the Goat really flying on a reach. With me and three kids (youngest 5 yrs) on board, I was spilling air off the main and thinking about turning around or putting a couple of reefs in to continue. After a few moments hove to I decided to back it through a tack and head back. If I had wanted to continue, I'd have been at second reef with the kids on board, solo probably just first reef. The Sooty Tern with it's greater weight could just keep on going, Ian just sitting on a thwart and cruising along nicely, the Tern started to come to life at that moment in the stronger wind and waves.

    If we had been trying to go to windward in those lumpy conditions, there would come a point where the Tern would go ahead nicely but in the Goat and solo, I'd be beaten to a standstill by the steeper waves stopping the lightweight boat with big slab sides and bottom. With an agile, tall 120 kg crew hiking hard we'd do better to windward as it got lumpy.

    Off the wind, the Goat will go well and securely right up to gale conditions. Light weight so you need to set next to no sail / can go pretty well downwind even under bare poles or mizzen alone. I carry a little 2.5 square metre lugsail (reefable to 1.5 sqm) Control remains good, the square section, very buoyant bow, rocker and narrow transom mean you can't drive the bow under. I've been at second reefed amin plus mizzen surfing down waves and going fast enough to plow into the back of the waves in front, the bow has nearly buried but popped back up and we've shot over the top of that wave in front and surfed down the face to repeat.

    The Sooty Tern looked to have a nice motion through the waves, would look after itself with a lot less attention and agility from the skipper as conditions got more interesting. In the GIS solo you are always having to be pretty lively to keep it going well.

    Perhaps surprisingly, I've found it a good boat for me and the young kids. Because it goes so well in next to no wind, we can get out in those conditions and cruise along quite nicely. My 8 yr old son enjoys being on the tiller as we cruise along nicely at a couple of knots past another boat that is wallowing and going nowhere.

    Ian

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