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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by davlafont View Post
    and so it goes. After taking a sensing of the conditions and leaning one way for a moment, i'm now hiked out on the rail with an order placed for six sheets of joubert. (does that make me six sheets to the wind?)

    i just ordered them at 1pm today. They will arrive tomorrow!!!
    good move

    (CHECK out my post count! Dave, I have inadvertently cursed your thread!)

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    Bruynzeel used to be the absolute numero uno of marine ply. They used to do Mahogany and Gaboon.

    There have been some chinese boards called "bruynzeel" in Australia - but it was just an ink stamp rather than the stickers and stamps of the original. I also think it was British Standard BS1088

    So I would be little careful - but if it is real Bruynzeel I would think it would be pretty good. The price does indicate it is probably the good stuff.

    Nothing wrong with Joubert either of course.

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    Default Good wood

    I took delivery of the good stuff just prior to heading off on vacation. Now it's spread out in my basement to be lofted. My goal is to have all the panels cut out and framed up in time for my family's return (they are taking a longer vacation because I had to get back to my job).

    I need fairing battens. I need framing lumber. Wah, wah, wah, I need, I need, I need.



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    Looks like Joubert changed the label to reflect some kind of formaldehyde regulation. Who knows what that's all about.

    Good fairing battens are hard to find. I was lucky in that a friend is building a strip kayak and has 18' long clear wood strips.
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    Default In other news...

    I still have a sail to finish too:



    One down, seven to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonLew View Post
    Good fairing battens are hard to find. I was lucky in that a friend is building a strip kayak and has 18' long clear wood strips.
    I found MDF mouldings fine for fairing battens - they come in about the right lengths (about 5.4 metres, enough to frame around a door) and are sure to bend fair if you get a size in the right stiffness range.

    Ian

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    I cut a thin strip -- maybe 1/4" thick -- off of one of the planks I bought for making gunwales. Did a fine job as a fairing batten. I still have it. You are welcome to it if you can figure out how to get it to your place unbroken.

    Do you have a cutting table for working with the plywood? I strongly recommend making yourself one if not. I made mine out of 1x3s and 2x3s left over from another project, but this might be a better plan since it comes apart when not in use: Knock-Down Sawhorse Cutting Grid

    I can't tell you how useful such a table is. Being able to cut the plywood without worrying about what's underneath is only the start. It also allows you to clamp smaller pieces in all sorts of ways not possible on a standard bench. Put packing tape on the top edges and you can leave all your bulkheads and such on it with wet epoxy oozing out.

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    Great tip on the grid. I have a plywood sheet that's not quite full size (used to be under a kid's mattress) that will suffice. It's just taking up space anyway.

    I think I like the MDF moulding as batten tip too. Yay Internet.


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    When is it time to step back, take a deep breath, open an adult-oriented beverage and count to ten? When you discover that you missed marking one of the measurements on the bottom panel AFTER tapping in all the nails (starboard and port) and mark two thirds of the fair curve in pencil. I'm using a 12 ft batten, so I'm marking the curb in two steps, starting at the stem. As I positioned the batten aft, I noticed how unfair it is. Like an S-curve. So I grab the ruler and go line by line from the stern and sure enough: I skipped the fourth measurement. Those familiar with the plan know that there's no room to adjust aft. I have to re-do twelve stations times two plus the stem. $&@?!, I just realized that all the nail holes will then fall within the hull now. I suppose they be covered by chine tape, but still...

    Where's that dang beverage?!?


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    Ouch! Better you caught it now than after firing up the jig saw. Remember that a lot of the hull bottom is hidden in the fore and aft floatation compartments so with luck you won't see any of the nail holes.
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    Yeah, what Simon said. In the unlikely event that a nail hole or two is not hidden under a chine log or inwale spacer or lost in a flotation tank, it is still so small that it won't matter. But if you'd cut before you realized the problem, you'd be buying more expensive plywood!

    Use that beverage to toast your good luck and good sense.

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    I just remembered something relevant. Actually, the "bulkhead 3" thread reminded me because it got me thinking about the day I wrapped the sides around the bulkheads.

    I drove a lot of drywall screws through the plywood that day to hold the bulkheads in place. It was a crazy day and not all of the screws were on the right side of the line. That is, sometimes I drove a screw through the ply and into thin air, a good inch left or right of where I should have. That leaves a scar much bigger than whatever the little brads you are using as markers will leave.

    Betcha didn't notice any in my build. Even in the varnish. Didn't think so.

    I know how discouraging it must have been to have to go back and remeasure all your marks. But the little holes will mean nothing in the long run.

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    Thanks Paul. You're right; it's not about the damage, it's about the process and the... momentary lapse of reason. I'm over it.

    Today I out the cut parts from two sheets. Tomorrow I'll do the side panels before I go back to the bottom and fix it.

    I also picked up a load of nice Eastern White Pine as a substitute for Western Red Cedar. The price was way low: $0.50/linear foot for 1x4. They would have charged more than three times the price for WRC.
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    Thinking about you today. I almost cut one my mast staves wrong, out of what is easily the most expensive piece of wood I bought for my entire boat. Caught the error just in time. Had to go back and re-measure everything.

    I got the new lines drawn, but now it's dinner time. So no cutting got done. Days like this are discouraging. "You were out there all afternoon. What did you get done on the boat today, honey?" "I drew some lines on a piece of wood." "Oh."

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    Dave,

    Glad you caught that when you did but you are correct, it is more about the process than any damage.

    I have been an apologist about my boat and workmanship to everyone who has seen the boat. Of course, everyone is polite and says, "What are you talking about? This is beautiful."

    Last week, up in Les Cheneaux Islands, I had a chance to meet a participant from another sailing forum. Before he saw my boat I gave him my disclaimer speech... Then he saw the boat and the sail. I steeled myself for the polite comments, knowing deep down inside everyone sees what I see. He told me how pretty the boat is, how the seams on the sail looked great and how impressed he was with the boat. Then he stopped me in my tracks by asking me to point out the flaws and mistakes... All I could come up with is that the fillets are not uniform in color and that I installed the inwales and spacers before properly finishing them. He mocked me: "OMG! That's it; let's burn it on the spot because, with those "flaws," this boat could never sail..."

    It was a good lesson. Maybe folks haven't just been polite. I see flaws and mistakes - but I cannot point them out to others. I think I am more disappointed in my work than is justified. When your boat is done the only one who will know you missed that mark will be you. Okay, we know... but we won't remember.

    I am going to build another boat and sew more sails - I am not going to let what I've learned go to waste.

    Keep moving forward.
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