Thread: GIS - Sacramento

Mik, I'll do my best not to confuse mm and meters with cm the next time I make a frock... I am forcing myself to use the metric tape but still think in terms of inches and feet so it will probably take some bit of time before I am comfortable with mm and meters.

In the meantime... I've been finishing up both foils and getting them to the "ready-to-paint" stage. Since I haven't committed myself to picking a color (leaning heavily toward yellow) and actually buying paint, the foils can go in the corner with the stem and wait for the rest of the bits and pieces to catch up.

I plan to scarf the timbers for the chinelogs, gunwales, gunwale caps, inwales, and skids. While I could manage to transport 12' + lengths for the skids, I'm not sure how I would transport 18' timbers for the rest of those parts. So I built myself a scarfing jig.



It is patterned after one I saw recently on WBF. Mine is narrower, is powered by a laminate trimmer instead of a full-size router, and cuts at an 8:1 ratio.. It works quite nicely. Here is a shot of my test joint:



The glue line is nearly invisible, but can be seen on close examination. I am pretty pleased with the jig, the cuts, and the join. There is no way I could replicate these cuts by hand.

I'm getting ready to vacation in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada. I leave on Friday for a week of sailing small boats, paddling a kayak, drinking beer, and just relaxing. I'm looking forward to it.

Bob

I am supposed to be in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada (Georgian Bay) this week. But I'm not... I didn't realize it until it was too late, but as of June 1, U.S. citizens need a passport for travel outside the United States. Used to be you could visit Canada and Mexico without much more than slowing down at the border. I understand I could have gone to Canada with a birth certificate and a driver's license - the tricky part was going to returning to the States. My brother-in-law suggested just going and taking the chance of being delayed upon our return... With on-line tales of such delays running into days, I decided I'm not that big of a risk-taker. So, here I am taking two "consolation" days off work and making progress.

Best surprise of the day - okoume plywood for $66 a sheet, right here in Sacramento.

Biggest surprise of the day - got that price at Hughes Hardwoods. Some may remember the exchange Rick and I had recently re the price of okoume plywood here in Northern California. Hughes quoted Rick a price of $93 a sheet over the phone. Rick found another supplier (much closer to his home) and bought his plywood for a much better price.

I was out running errands this morning and decided to stop at Hughes to see what hardwood they have in stock. I asked for a quote on the okoume ply. When the guy told me "Sixty something" off the top of his head, I asked if he could be more specific. He called the wholesaler (Hughes does not stock 6mm okoume), and got a price of $66 per sheet. I asked him to double-check because I had been quoted a much higher price. He called back and verified the price. I ordered 2 sheets (California's budget woes directly impact my budget - I work for the state). After I paid for the order, I told the guy I had been quoted $93 a sheet. He said he could charge that, but nobody would pay it...

Second best surprise of the day - I don't have to wait for the ply to be delivered to Hughes. I can pick it up at the wholesaler - and be able to pick my own sheets. As a bonus, the wholesaler is much closer to home than Hughes!) I'm picking the plywood up first thing in the morning - I had to cobble together an appendage to my Jeep's roof rack so I can cart the plywood home.

I figure to get started on the bulkheads this weekend!

Bob

Whoa ... that is great news BobWes! Well done!

Can you give us some details of the contact for the supplier? Address/phone etc.

Michael

Places to get gaboon plywood near sacremento.

Here you go:

Hughes Hardwoods
11441 Sunrise Gold Circle
Rancho Cordova, CA 95742

Telephone: 916-638-8658
Fax: 916-638-8664

The wholesaler is:

Capitol Plywood, Inc.
160 Commerce Circle
Sacramento, CA 95815

Telephone: 916-922-8861

Hope someone else can use this information.

Bob

Thanks BobWes

Excellent news Bob. I wonder where in the heck that fellow pulled the $93.00 figure from??? Although that price is in line with what some others charge, it is way too much money IMO.

I hope to get a bit of a start this weekend on spars. I am going to experiment with some cheep pine making and fitting birdsmouth joints. Once I am confident I have a good handle on it I'll make the for-real spars out of good fir. I'm hoping to get spars and foils done this month, or at least a good start. I'm going to be in Idaho for a couple of weeks, and I likely won't get to building in earnest until mid August.

Yes, I was pleased at that price. I have no idea where the $93 price came from - and apparently neither did anyone else at Hughes did either - at least the guys that were there yesterday.

Good luck with the birdsmouth mast. Practicing on the inexpensive stuff makes a lot of sense before putting the good stuff at risk. I plan on building the hollow box mast - I just don't have the tools or patience (I think are) required for the birdsmouth. I'll be looking for progress pics when you get to building your mast.

Enjoy Idaho!

Bob

I'm wondering if they inadvertently gave me the price for the 9mm/ 3/8" okoume?

IF my birdsmouth setup and technique prove satisfactory, you could haul your spar wood over to my little shop and we could cut and lay up your birdsmouth here if you want to go in that direction. I'd do the square mast without hesitation save for one: IT JUST DON"T LOOK RIGHT!

Originally Posted by BobWes

Yes, I was pleased at that price. I have no idea where the $93 price came from - and apparently neither did anyone else at Hughes did either - at least the guys that were there yesterday.

Good luck with the birdsmouth mast. Practicing on the inexpensive stuff makes a lot of sense before putting the good stuff at risk. I plan on building the hollow box mast - I just don't have the tools or patience (I think are) required for the birdsmouth. I'll be looking for progress pics when you get to building your mast.

Enjoy Idaho!

Bob

Originally Posted by Rick_Tatum

IT JUST DON"T LOOK RIGHT!

why not? The square section is also more aerodynamic.

Brian

Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter

why not?
Brian

Hehehehe, because everyone knows that trees and masts are round, that's why

The square section is also more aerodynamic.

You don't say? Well now, that changes things some....maybe they look right after all

Originally Posted by Rick_Tatum

Hehehehe, because everyone knows that trees and masts are round, that's why

I used to feel the same way and then I revisited "Sensible Cruising Designs" by L. Francis Herreshoff. All the designs in the book, including Rozinante, use box masts so I reckon if they were good enough for him, they're good enough for me .

cheers,
clay

Rick, Are you hand planing the tapers on the staves? I was skeptical of the box mast until I built it and used it. It is very practical and looks nice especially with tight glue joints and that nice 1/2" roundover on the edges.

Cheers,
Clint

Clint,

Yes, I'll have to hand plane the staves. A slow process I'm sure to enable the birdsmouth to be well fit the entire length of the mast. You all have me thinking about the square mast now. A much simpler build I'm sure. For some reason I don't seem to have the plans for the square mast....

Originally Posted by Compass Project

Rick, Are you hand planing the tapers on the staves? I was skeptical of the box mast until I built it and used it. It is very practical and looks nice especially with tight glue joints and that nice 1/2" roundover on the edges.

Cheers,
Clint

Rick - Check with Mik re the plans for the box mast - I think the plan set you got two years ago predated the box mast option.

Thanks for the invite and the offer but I'm sticking with the box mast. We'll just have to come up with some other reason for a visit.

Clay - Good enough for L. Francis Herreshoff, good enough for me! That, plus it looks (to me) like the simplest mast to build.

Bob