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24th Nov 2009, 01:55 AM
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I cut my gunwales and inwales from 2-by material just as you are considering. In considering the slightly smaller height I recalled MIK's instructions to set the gunwales up about 6mm from the top edge of the plywood sides. When you plane-sand that 6mm off and you're looking at 39mm which is just a tad more than 1 1/2 inch. When you put yours on just set them right close to the top edge and plane one or the other (or both) to bring everything flush. |
25th Nov 2009, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BobWes  Seems I've found my problem with making those scarf cuts with the plane: Poor technique.
I started in on the pieces for the inwales - and found I was putting a nice crown down the middle of the sticks. Figured that out late last night. This evening - paying closer attention to what I was doing to the wood - I've been able to correct that on the first set for the iinwales.
Checking the botched up chine log suggests I did the same thing and made it worse somehow when I tried to fix it. Looking at it this evening, I think I can salvage it using the plane. I'll give it a shot.
Quick question... is WRC stiff enough for the gunwales?
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Bob | Bob
Another Bob who is building a boat (Bob Easton) has just posted to his blog on how he made the scarfs with a plane in the ply for his latest boat. I think the idea of using a stack of pieces to set the angle of the scarf has a lot of merit as does nailing the pieces down so the blighters don't slip about!
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25th Nov 2009, 02:00 PM
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OK. So, someone mentioned my name....
The stacking technique works very well for wider stuff like planks. Beveling plywood also makes the job a bit easier since the plies themselves show you if the work is even.
For narrower stuff, like gunwales and inwales, a scarfing jig might help. See pages 148-149 of Greg Rossel's book "Building Small Boats" for a jig that is easy to make and one you'll use over and over. If you don't have the book, you can find those pages on Google Books here.
Gotta love a guy who's building a boat in his den. 
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25th Nov 2009, 02:21 PM
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Jeremy,
Thanks for the link to Bob Easton's blog. I took a quick read through the scarfing sequence and I will go back through it later to better understand it. I haven't ever tried scarfing plywood (wide thin pieces) but I can see the need for that in the future.
Quick question... did you create the link to this thread in the blog comments?
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25th Nov 2009, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BobWes Jeremy,
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Quick question... did you create the link to this thread in the blog comments?
. | No, I didn't, wish I knew how. Maybe this is a Linkback?
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25th Nov 2009, 04:00 PM
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The stacking technique works very well for wider stuff like planks. Beveling plywood also makes the job a bit easier since the plies themselves show you if the work is even.
For narrower stuff, like gunwales and inwales, a scarfing jig might help. See pages 148-149 of Greg Rossel's book "Building Small Boats" for a jig that is easy to make and one you'll use over and over. If you don't have the book, you can find those pages on Google Books here.
Gotta love a guy who's building a boat in his den.  | Thanks, Bob. I appreciate the information and I'll add your blog to my list. Thanks, too, for the reminder and link to Google Books - I keep forgetting about that resource. |
29th Nov 2009, 09:12 AM
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Car troubles persist so another 3-day block of time has been redirected...
Today I lofted and cut out the bottom panels. Lofting wasn't too bad - after marking a center line on the ply, measuring a couple-three times, checking the drawing on the monitor (so I could enlarge it to read it!), measuring a couple more times, and then cutting. Cutting a 2x8 sheet of plyt is a slightly awkward task to do when space is limited and there is no good way to get the far corners. I got it done, but I'm glad I do not have to repeat that process.
I really must work on my planing technique - or at least remember to check for a crown. I cleaned up the chine-log scarf cuts and am much happier with them. I also checked the stem and found crowns on both sides. I removed those and test fit the surfaces with a piece of ply. Much better!
Trying to do as much as possible here at the apartment I cut the notches in the bulkheads, too. I used a cross-section of the chine-log stock as a pattern - and then rediscovered page 23 of the plans giving the dimensions for the notches. Remarkably, the combination of tracing around the cross-section and cutting inside the lines produced finished cuts with the dimensions shown in the plans. Kinda spooky!
Later on I'll work on the foils. That new ROS is really needs a good workout...
Things are getting done but I wanted to be gluing little bits into bigger bits and the bigger bits together this weekend.  |
29th Nov 2009, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BobWes Things are getting done but I wanted to be gluing little bits into bigger bits and the bigger bits together this weekend. | Hi Bob,
Sooner or later the tasks that you're knocking over now will have to be done anyway, so there's no real issue aside from coping with your frustration  |
30th Nov 2009, 04:27 AM
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Hi Bruce,
Yeah, I know all of these tasks need being done. Actually, the delay in moving has been good in that respect. As I work through the lists and the plans I am finding more little tasks that might otherwise be lost or forgotten - until needed. So, hopefully, I am reducing the number of lost and forgotten bits, pieces, and tasks. |
30th Nov 2009, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BobWes So, hopefully, I am reducing the number of lost and forgotten bits, pieces, and tasks. | I love the humour on this forum 
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7th Dec 2009, 02:36 PM
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This morning I took boat parts, supplies, tools, and equipment over to my daughter's house. 
The space is cozy but it is great to be set up and working on the boat here. 
To get things started, I glued up the chine-logs. 
The stem and bulkheads made the trip this morning but the hull panels are still at the apartment. I'll take those over tomorrow and get them glued this week.
While all these parts still don't look much like a boat, that phase of construction is right around the corner. I still need to push a few things into the corners, but the main thing is, I am a whole lot closer to assembling the hull! This is getting exciting (for me)!  |
8th Dec 2009, 03:04 AM
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Bob - looking good. Just keep plugging away at it. Before you know it, you'll be looking back at the process from aboard your new boat <G> |
8th Dec 2009, 12:15 PM
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Or eating apple dump cake from a dutch oven while contemplating going sailing a little bit later.
BobWes is going to be famous for his dump cakes!
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8th Dec 2009, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Boatmik Or eating apple dump cake from a dutch oven while contemplating going sailing a little bit later.
BobWes is going to be famous for his dump cakes!
MIK | His marketing team will need to come up with a new name if he wants to break into the Oz market. |
8th Dec 2009, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by woodeneye His marketing team will need to come up with a new name if he wants to break into the Oz market. | The name had us worried, also. However, the actuality turns out to be far, far, better than the mental image conjured up  | | |
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