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7th July 2008, 01:16 PM #106
Here. Some pics of our GIS for you. I've been taking pictures obsessively with the intent of blogging our progress. But between work, kids, other hobbies, and actually building the thing, there has been no time to blog. Maybe someday I'll get it all put together.
Not too much progress so far. We've located most of the materials, rough cut the lumber for planing and ripping (whenever my friend with a thickness planer and table saw can get over here), and started drawing out and cutting the side panels. My son will be planing down the side panels tomorrow while I measure out the bottom. Our goal is to "go 3D" before we go camping in 2 weeks and to finish up before he goes back to school in September.
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16th July 2008, 01:29 PM #107
Transom dimensions
Michael,
I measured out the transom today and was about to cut it when I noticed a disagreement between the drawings and the instructions. The instructions say to cut it oversize by 7mm on the sides and 12mm on the bottom. The drawings say 5mm and 8mm, respectively. If I follow the instructions for beveling the edges, but use the smaller measurements, the angle will be quite different. Which should I go with?
Progress has been slowed by the intrusion of work and other life events. Enormously inconsiderate of my clients not to let me work uninterrupted. But my carpenter friend stopped by on Sunday with his thicknesser and again today with his table saw. So now all the long, skinny bits are planed and ripped except for the spars, skids, and gunwale caps.
I'm still hoping to have a 3D object before we go camping. But if I don't, I won't be too terribly upset. I'm having a blast so far, and my son is tolerating the whole thing (probably about the best I can expect from a 14-year-old). I can see how this boatbuilding stuff could be habit-forming.
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16th July 2008, 08:46 PM #108
Howdy Paulie. Either set will work, but the ones in the text are the right ones. They have been corrected recently
Michael
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16th July 2008, 10:42 PM #109
Thanks! You have no idea how comforting it is to an utter newbie like me to be able to ask you these questions.
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17th July 2008, 11:45 PM #110
Paulie, You obviously don't realise how comforting it is for me that you ask these questions!!!
Michael
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18th July 2008, 03:09 PM #111
Ordering Plans
Hello everyone,
Although I've been admiring the GIS for a year now, I only recently discovered this forum - so, I'm the "new guy."
I have a question about ordering the plans. Duckworks lists PDF Plans ("Not instant - order with other items") and Instant Download ("Not part of regular shopping cart"). What's the difference between these two options? (This could be a long process if I'm asking such a silly question already!)
Any how, I do like the GIS, and I am looking forward to building one!
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18th July 2008, 11:30 PM #112
BobWes,
Thank you for reminding me that I have some unfinished business here. I never properly thanked the Duckwork folks for their excellent customer service.
I bought my plans through Duckworks (using the Instant Download option -- I don't have any idea if I got something different than Shopping Cart users get) and went back to them for the sail and the epoxy/tape kit.
The epoxy kit was drop-shipped direct from Duckworks' suppliers. It contained silica dust in bags that were too thin to withstand the abuse that the shipping company dished out. So my box arrived with silica dust floating freely about inside it. Not a big deal -- I was able to recover almost all of it without making a mess. I had no doubt that I still had enough to build the GIS, so no compensation was needed. No harm, no foul. But I sent email to both Duckworks and the manufacturer to alert them that this might happen again. Given the current security climate in the US, mysterious white powder leaking from a box in transit could lead to an expensive hazmat response.
Sandra at Duckworks immediately packed and shipped more silica out of her own stock to cover any possible shortfall, sent me an apologetic email, and told me that she had negotiated with the manufacturer to use thicker bags in the future. (If you buy their epoxy kit for your GIS, you needn't worry about this happening to you.) She did all this even though she was not in any way responsible for packing the original shipment.
Of course, I thanked her directly at the time. But I also promised myself that I'd post something here, where other US-based GIS builders might see it. Customer service like that deserves public praise.
(NAYYY. I will get no compensation for this, other than clearing my conscience.)
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19th July 2008, 11:03 AM #113
Paulie,
Thanks for the response and testimonial to Duckworks' customer service.
I'll order my plans and start clearing out the garage!
Bob
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21st July 2008, 03:59 PM #114Senior Member
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Bob - Congrats. I'm the first US builder of a Goat Island Skiff (I believe that's correct, eh, Mik?) It'll be good to have another GIS on the west coast. I think there'll be a small boating event set up for May in Humboldt County. If you're done by then, maybe we can meet up and sail in company. Our own little Goat Fleet
Just to whet your appetite, here are some fotos from a Coots event, yesterday. Plenty of shots of our GIS, "Sisu", as well as some other Ol' Coots boats.
http://tinyurl.com/669clk
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21st July 2008, 04:09 PM #115
Yep Dave, Officially you are number one in the USA (and the North American subcontinent) as far as my knowledge goes.
It is just possible that there may be someone lurking in the "woodwork", but until they contact me we won't be able to straighten the record.
So you are the "King of the Hull" as the New Zealanders would say!
Best wishes
MIK
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22nd July 2008, 12:12 PM #116
Dave,
Thanks for the pics! That is a very nice boat you have there!
Thanks, too for the invitation to come sailing next spring. I can only hope to have my own boat ready by then.
Bob
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25th July 2008, 01:12 AM #117Senior Member
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Bob,
It just depends how much time you have each week to devote to building. I'd strongly recommend building the associated bits & bobs first: spars; foils; tiller; bowsprit & topforegallants (oops, scratch that - I just got carried away); etc. Pick out an anchor and decide where it's gonna live & in what sort of container. What about a spot for a sponge/bailer/spare line. Flares & flashlight? Camera & GPS? How about the oars? Dock lines & fenders? The more you can sort out what all you'll have aboard, the better you can accommodate them during the build.
Whenever you get done, we'll try to get together - but with a moderate time investment, I'm sure you could have the boat done by next Spring. Another hint: it really takes a lot of hours to put on paint & varnish, and it takes a lot of calendar time to let them fully dry before you splash her. It depends on the exact product, but as a general idea: 2-part polyurethane, 1 week drying time; Standard oil enamel (like Kirby's or a good brand of porch & deck paint) 2 weeks; Latex Enamel, 3 - 4 weeks. Varnish, you can put on a coat per day, typically. I let my final coat dry at least 2-3 warm days or 7-10 cool days. Brightwork is an aesthetic decision, but I would recommend keeping it to a minimum. It's much more work to maintain than paint. Also, I've come to prefer Sikkens Cetol Marine for my brightwork (especially their new "natural teak" flavor). It's easier to apply than any of the varnishes I've used (my standard is Interlux #96), and easier to touch up. The tradeoff is that it's a little murkier. On my best varnish work, it's so clear and deep that it seems you could fall in and drown. Gorgeous. You won't get that same depth & clarity with the Sikkens, but it's not bad at all. I've also decided that Mik is (once again) smart to suggest a bright finish for the interior and paint for the exterior. We painted the interior, and it's harder to keep it looking presentable day-to-day. I think the Puddle Duck Racer I'm working on now will have a Sikkens interior/cockpit and a painted exterior & decks.
"We require from buildings {and from boats - ed.}, as from men, two kinds of goodness: first - doing their practical duty well; then - that they be graceful and pleasing in doing it; which last is in itself another form of duty.
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25th July 2008, 11:37 AM #118
Dave,
That's an interesting (to me) take on the build sequence. I understand beginning with the foils and tiller, and maybe even the spars (although I sorta thought the spars would be last – after I developed a bit of confidence). But it never occurred to me to accommodate stowage of the necessary boat gear during the build. If I thought about it at all, I figured build the boat right quick without thought about where gear might go. Thanks for the suggestion. How and where do you stow your anchor, sponge, bailer, extra line, camera, GPS, dock lines, fenders, and oars? Do you have any pictures of Sisu's interior?
While I really do like the looks of the brightwork interior, I have never been very good at maintaining brightwork. So, my thought was to paint the entire boat. But your comments about the difficulty you have in keeping the painted interior presentable is giving me second thoughts. I still have plenty of time to make that decision, but I appreciate your comments and observations.
As for time, I'll have an abundance of time in the foreseeable future. My wife recently passed away very suddenly and unexpectedly, so I have nothing but empty time in the evenings and weekends. In fact, this boat building project will be my memorial to celebrate her and our life together. It's a shame I cannot share it with her in the here and now. So, yes, I believe I can have my Karen Ann completed before next spring.
Thanks for the insights.
Bob
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25th July 2008, 10:00 PM #119SENIOR MEMBER
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I have not posted in awhile but been reading...for Bob, first off...I am so sorry to hear that news. I am glad you have this project. Can I suggest the best memorial would be to finish the inside clear and I may be able to suggest a way to do it that is as easy maintenance as paint. After encapsulating the inside with epoxy, use System 3's clear finish LPU. They have a paint system, a water based, epoxy LPU. Remarkable stuff. I have used the clear coat on oars and spars...it is very tough. The paint is noticeably more durable than 1-part paints. For my plywood-epoxy boats, it is the only way I do it now. See www.systemthree.com and look under products. Hope this helps and that your project goes well.
Cheers,
Clint
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26th July 2008, 01:31 AM #120
Howdy Bob,
Normally I suggest to people that they wait to find the right name for their boat and not to rush it. I think it is best not to select the name before you are really sure, but it is wonderful to have a good name from the start.
Karen Anne is a great name. And its link with the boat will be doubly strong because the name was there from the beginning.
Have you seen the pics of the Biting Midge's GIS Gruff. Now 14 years old. It was fully epoxy sealed as per the plan before varnishing. Main thing is to keep the sun off. If you can store it in a shed or with a well made cover then it will be many years before you have to worry about revarnishing.
BTW ...
Feel free to drop in as much as you like and make some noise here too. Be glad to see you
Best wishes
Michael
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