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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by davlafont View Post
    I second the motion! Weigh in with your thoughts on a gathering.
    Ok I'll weigh in. I have no "Goat" at the moment but when complete I would certainly be interested in adventures with fellow "Goat" owners and would love the chance to become part of this burgening community as much as funds & time will allow (and wife). My thoughts on a place to have this is limited since I have not done any coastal sailing so I wouldn't know where to begin. I have long thought that the coast of Maine would be a great place to explore and that goes for the coast of Rhode Island and Conn. Lotsa islands but I have no idea what is accessible to a group of wandering free range Goats. I have spent alot of time on Lake Winnipasauki here in NH (on motor boats) and it offers many miles and plenty of docks open to the public but camping on the islands I'm not sure about as most are inhabited or protected. So what I'm saying is count me in and hopefully I can attend and contribute to the group as it seems like a cool buncha people are already involved.
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    One thing I don't like about the plans....METRIC! Ok I know metric is actually easier but for whatever reason us stubborn americans just like the way we do it and out brains are geared for feet and inches. I can visualize how big 5/8th (or even 625 thousands) of an inch is but not 120 mm. I have all the measuring tools I need to build a damn house or work in a machine shop all day and be accurate but I still am confused about metric.
    To make matters worse I have been all over trying to find a nice long scale to use for laying out bulkheads and such but cannot find one in meteric. I bought a metric tape measure but that just isn't the best for that kind of layout work being flexible and having the end piece keeping the tape off the surface. There....rant over...I'll look for a scale I can buy online from somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahmsy View Post
    ...I'll look for a scale I can buy online from somewhere.
    I was going to say "Duckworks is your friend" but a quick check of their site comes up empty. However, Duckworks IS your friend. Shoot them an email (link on their site) and ask if they're getting any more. They are super great about working with customers.
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    I did a search and it looks like Staples may have them there at the store. I ordered my plans through Duckworks and I may order the epoxy system from them as well.
    I wonder if they do a military discount..Hmmmmmmm

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    Howdy,

    I know about the frustrations of the first few times using the metric tape.

    There was hue and outcry on the busy (now deleted) PDRacer forum/newsgroup when my plans for he Oz Mk2 PDR came out. Quite a few wouldn't consider buying it.

    But surprise, surprise. A couple of years later the question of metric came up and the forum to a man said that metric was way superior in terms of building things.

    When I use a tape for marking out I avoid the end.

    The trick is to put a big black mark in the middle of the tape at the one metre mark (so you can find it easily) and use that as a start point. If you forget to deduct the metre for the end measurement it is big enough that the error is obvious.

    or if the metre is too much use the 300mm mark or something. it is so easy to add and subtract.

    You do the same trick with an imperial measure. Start with the foot mark. But remember to deduct the foot at the end. Or the 12 inches (which is a pain compared to metric).

    Duck works do have all the measuring tools, though some have found them locally too in the USA.

    The biggest risk is for those who convert all the measurements with a calculator. That way madness lies because there will be inevitable mistakes. One mast bulkhead went in about 40mm (1.5") skew because of cumulative errors.

    So the builder had to measure carefully and then I worked out a custom mast partner to bring everything back into line.

    It's invisible on the actual boat

    MIK

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    I bought a metric tape measure. (The package said, '1" Wide'. Go figure.) But I do like to use a rigid ruler as well. I found a stainless steel meter stick at a teachers' supply store. It seems that US public schools are still teaching the metric system and so teachers need meter sticks. So look around for a local school supply place.

    I got used to the metric thing pretty quick. You will too.

    The added bonus for me was watching my carpenter friends get pale and sweaty at the mere sight of the tape measure. They acted like the thing was contagious. Then I'd explain how there weren't any right angles in the boat and they'd run off looking a little green.

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    Mik....Tape measures are the worst unless you are just cutting lumber for wall frames as I'm sure you are well aware. I (and many others) will do what we call "burn an inch" instead of an intire foot (12") but for layout on a flat surface the curvature of the tape sucks and the tape always seems to fall over just as I'm about to make a mark ruining everything for me. Also with the tape I have it is in centimeters instead of millimeters...yea yea same thing but different and easy but only if you are used to it. I have actually wondered if everything will come out the way is should using "imperial" lumber and metric measurements?? 6mm plywood and 1/4" do not measure the same (.236 for MM vs .250 for 1/4" measured in thousandth of an inch). Most should be fine but some things could theoretically come up short. I thought about converting all of the MM into imperial but then I need a scale that is in thousandths of an inch because not everything in MM is going to convert to a fraction of an inch easily and rounding up or down may cause bad things to happen in some areas. By "bad" I only mean having gaps that need to be filled or the need to shave off a bit to make things right. Something to keep aware of anyways for builders.

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    I got my metric yardstick (oxymoron) at Lowes. Duckworks DID have a meterstick, but I don't see it...? It's out there somewhere.

    The Okoume that comes out of France/Greece/Africa/etc and is advertised as both 6mm and 1/4" depending on the market but is the same sheet of ply from the same factory, so Mik calls it 6mm in OzLand and we call it 1/4" but it's the same sheet.

    In addition, much in the plans calls for timbers that are what, 19mm? Well 3/4" finished stock is 17mm and that was close enough. I don't think you'll run into many problems throughout the build. If anything think of the labor you are saving by not cutting down bigger stock!

    I am definitely Mr. Awful Builder Man, but more precision types like SimonLew turned out tightfitting boats with no issues. Your already honed mechanical and building skills will make the metric issue look tiny by the time you are done! No worries!

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    The plans do give a lot more accuracy because of the metric system.

    The correct philosophy is to do your best, but a millimetre here or there isn't going to make any difference.

    There is redundancy in the plans in most areas ... a bunch of measurements ... so if you get one wrong it will be obvious.

    Also some items ... bottom, seat tops ... have some extra material built in for trimming later.

    The areas where there are fewer measurements are the bulkheads behind #2. Which only have the corner points ... so double check them. I often check for symmetry too which can be a giveaway that something is wrong.

    The building method can deal with 6mm or more of error. But forget this information lest it tempt you. Even with the tape rolling over and being a bit of a pain, the biggest likely error from that is a couple of mm. Bigger than that and you will spot it when the fairing batten is bent around the nails.

    MIK

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    I plan to make a visit to Goose Bay Lumber in the next week or so to get a start on bulkheads and transom. Going through the plans and seeing pretty much EVERY photo in existence of the Goat I have come to the conclusion that I am missing something........a Boonie Hat! Was it supposed to come with the plans?? I see almost every other person with a Goat with a Boonie Hat and here I am with NOTHING! Seriously though it seems to be a fashion faux pas NOT to wear one lol.

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    Mine are "Child of bounty" hats made by the Australian "Albion hat company".

    The white canvas with blue or green under the brim is unbelievably cooling on a hot day. And the brim is sufficiently stiffened not to droop over your eyes when it gets wet.

    I just did a google search and it IS the same company that invented the Oz baggy green cricket cap. They don't list the child of bounty hat on their website.

    Burke sails in Australia make them too.
    Burke Marine | Sailing Hat

    MIK

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    I'm in the Army National Guard so I should get the Multi cam boonie hat. Next time I go to Fort Devans I'll see if they have one there.
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    My daughter refers to my hat as my "dorky sun hat". That is NEVER shortened. Always the full term, "dorky sun hat". As she has gotten older, my mere existence is no longer embarrassing to her. But wearing the "dorky sun hat" in public can cause her to disavow any connection between us. Unfortunately for her, I've seen too many old sailors with the tops of their ears missing due to removal of moles and skin cancer spots. I put on my "dorky sun hat", along with my life vest, every time I get in the boat.

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