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    Default MSD Rowboat built in Maine - Compass Project

    In the process of ordering lumber here, and trying to make this project VERY inexpensive. I have a very nice price on Spruce, $1:25 BF for 1x stock. My cost for Doug Fir (Oregon) is .98 LF for 1x4 (i.e., $2.94 BF). WRC is too much. Cypress, a great alternative b/c it is durable is 3.25 BF for 1x6. My concern with going all spruce, is that it is known to be prone to rot. I don't want people's chine logs rotting out. I use a lot of spruce and it makes great framing and structural components where it won't be submersed in water or beat up and exposed to water and debris. With epoxy encapsulation, is this really something to worry about. I haven't been doing epoxy encapsulation so much nor have I been building boats long enough to see long term problems with Spruce. What do you think?

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    The epoxy makes all the difference Clint.

    It turns the non durable into durable. You could use spruce right through the structure if you wanted. Reasonably light and durability will be no problem. Here we would be paying about 15 times what you are for Spruce.

    Michael

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    Thanks Mik, the advantage of living under Spruce trees...it'd be silly not to use it everywhere! I'll try to find a deal on Northern White Cedar, which would be a good substitute for Western Red I imagine.

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    Well, patterns are almost done and we'll be routing out parts for the boat. First session with the kids is Monday, stay tuned! Awaiting a few questions for Mik (Mik, do you want to use this to make people aware of these...I'd be happy to help with that as much as I can just don't want to muff up any info), preparing to route, and doing the last interview tomorrow. The students are pumped. I will be figuring out how to include them in the forum, probably through me since time with them is short.

    The general strategy is for them to start assembling the boat after a quick primer on some skills day 1. While planks go on the stem and b'heads, students will be laying out bulkheads on the side, cutting a transom, and other side projects while 4 kids are on the boat. The laying out of bulkheads on cheap ply has been done for them in advance so the boat doesn't have to wait for them to do it, so project advances but they still get the great experience of laying out and learning to measure, mark, and cut to the line. They will then self-check their work with the patterns! So every kid will layout a bulkhead and know they can do it right, while they all see how they go into forming the shape of the boat. This should move things a long.

    Cheers,
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    Exclamation Program Announcement

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    Dear Friends,

    We are pleased to announce a new satellite boat building program at the Maine Advanced Technology Center in Brunswick for high school students in our Youth Apprentice Program. The goal of the satellite program is to teach at-risk youth the latest composite technology being used in the boat building industry. The job skills training program is a collaboration between the Compass Project, Jobs for Maine Graduates, and the Maine Advanced Technology Center, which is a new Southern Maine Community College campus in Brunswick.

    Recent advances in composite technology have created a need to train workers in the boat building industry and in other industrial applications in the automotive and energy sectors, such as wind technology. Clint Chase, Program Manager of the Compass Projects says, "When students see the real thing on field trips to Hodgdon Yachts and other local boat yards, it opens their eyes to what they can do with their new skills and knowledge." Students from Morse H.S. in Bath will start the 16-week program at MATC on January 26, 2009.

    We hope you'll join us for an Open House at MATC in Brunswick on March 3, 2009 at 9:30 am. More information to follow.

    Correction: In our previous year end newsletter, the zip code was incorrect. We are sorry if this caused you any inconvenience. The correct zip code is 04101.

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    Default MSD Rowboat built in Maine - Compass Project

    Yes Clint!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by compassproject
    Awaiting a few questions for Mik (Mik, do you want to use this to make people aware of these...I'd be happy to help with that as much as I can just don't want to muff up any info)
    Yes ... I left some of the dimensions off the main panels .... It was OK for the trial plans but somehow things got mussed up with later sets.

    Anyone missing dimensions can email me at
    storerm@storerboatplans.com

    Michael

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    Default MSD Rowboat built in Maine - Compass Project

    Well the kids came today and they have skills. We did our usual first day exercise and in the two hours they got more done than any other group we have had. We build t-bars out of ply and spruce. The screw and glue the T-shape together, learn to mix glue and they run fillets down both sides. Next class they bash the heck out of them with a sledge and we observe how the joint/wood breaks and try to learn from any mistakes then and not on the boat. My volunteer and I have made patterns for bhd's and side panels and bottom. Students will begin at the stem and work back next Tuesday. I won't forget the camera this time.

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    Wow, Great situation for the teacher! And the kids will get a lot more out of it too in terms of being able to conceptualise something more complex and see how it comes to a real result!

    Good one Clint!

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    Hey guys, I have to get the pictures from the teacher, but we have dry fit the side panels and bulkheads and this boat looks awesome and fast. Everything fairs up until the planks pass the bhd #1 and head into the stem, the planks make an s-turn as the panels twist into too fine a bevel in the stem. We glued the stem, so now have to cut it out and make a new one with correct bevels and it appears that my volunteer did make the stem correctly. So it is a design flaw (Mik, I often have issues with stem bevels in my boats...it is a tricky are as the planks abruptly twist into the stem it seems things get wacky). We will let Mik know the new dim's of the new stem so he can cross check and confirm the info here. Everything looks great, otherwise. The curvature in the plank at bhd one is very cool. I have pics of the problem and the kids putting it together in the teacher's camera and we will post. Stay tuned!

    Oh, and we have a commission to make 8' spruce oars with a carbon fiber blade!

    Clint

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    Hollow sections near the bow were pretty common back in the day. My GIS has a little bit of it, the deepest part of the S being about 6-7 inches back from the stem.

    It never occurred to me that this was an error in the drafting...

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    Cheers Clint,

    Any updates of info will be great.

    Make sure the prob is not in the first bulkhead too.

    MIK

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    MAM, I don't think it is an error in Mik's drafting necessarily and hearing that the GIS gets a bit of it too and my experience with it says it's one of the frustrating things that comes into play when 2D drawings starts becoming 3D...funny things happen.

    Monday we'll redo the stem and keep ya posted.

    TX.

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    See our kids and the MSD rowboat on our local news station. Stae governor was there too.

    http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/stor...UT4OycKEVn0%3D

    Hope it opens for you.

    Clint

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    I could find just one pic on there, Clint.

    This ain't the MSD rowboat, is it?


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    There should be a way to open the story and see the video...

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