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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpeter View Post
    Thanks MIK,

    I am pretty low tech tool-wise but I have half a mind to pick up a router
    and flush trim bit just for the fun of it ...

    Peter
    you need to shape a hole the same profile as the foil so a hacksaw blade and patience is alls ya need.

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    Be sure to buy the flush trim bit with a roller guide-bearing. There are less expensive trim bits that have rub bearings that spin along with the router bit. They will work but can also burn their way into the wood (when you hesitate or go too slow) and will muck things up in a hurry, especially in novice hands.
    The "Cosmos Mariner,"My Goat Island Skiff
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    Starting the Simmons Sea Skiff 18
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    Yeah, I think these novice hands will stick with the hand tools this time.
    Thanks for the info, gents.

    Peter

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    Time for another one of my brief updates - I'll put up some pics in a day or
    3 ...

    - Buoyancy tanks and side-decks installed this week and
    mast partner just glued up tonight. Probably install that
    tomorrow.

    - 1 foil glassed, other one in a day or so.

    - This probably goes against the low cost PD Racer philosophy,
    but I purchased the spritsail from Duckflat a few days ago. Duckworks, my
    "local" dealer here in the states has an 8-10 week lead time and I
    just want to get this duck out on the water! I will probably make up
    the lugsail myself in the off season ...

    - Been checking out MIK's PDR rigging slideshow - Getting set to
    purchase the rigging bits this week.

    I think that's all for now.

    Cheers,

    Peter

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    Howdy Peter,

    I think the Ducks are a broad church. I think the low cost aspect is important, along with fast and messy building. But also it is important to show the alternative of using nice materials and making the boats pretty.

    The boats over the past couple of years have been becoming better and better. Very different from the 9mm or 12mm ply boats with tiny baggy sails of three years ago. That is a generalisation by the way, there were some other boats that were very good at the time as well- but the OZ put the whole thing together in a package.

    It sort of defined another way and most have followed. Many still following the cheap philosophy at the same time, but also a significant number of people moving to something that looks nice to other boatbuilders and woodworkers.

    Best wishes
    Michael

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    MIK,

    My building style is not fast but definitely messy

    While I still am a few weeks away from sailing the Duck
    I have begun to appreciate more and more the amount of thought
    that must have gone into the development of the OZ version.
    I can't wait to get out there!

    I don't know if I mentioned this in the thread regarding your USA
    tour but if you make it to the Northeast, mi casa es su casa.
    I am about 2 hours south of Clint up in Portland, ME.

    Cheers,

    Peter

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    Cheers Peter,

    I might take you up on that!

    Hey ... I did forget about the not so cheap but messy builders! I am sortof one of them too.

    MIK

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    Latest update from North America:


    Foils glassed, sanding begun - getting tired of all that epoxy dust,
    even with a mask it is getting old ... MIK, any problem with me wetsanding
    the foils?




    Hull nearly complete (still needs her chines taped ...):




    Mast Partner. Had to move the spacer blocks aft
    about 5mm in order to keep the same mast angle.
    The mast fits nicely though ...:



    By the way, my apologies for the tiny photos - they uploaded
    to Photobucket at 800x600 but when I insert them here
    they come in as thumbnails - resizing them in this interface
    makes them too choppy. I'm too lazy to try and figure it out
    just yet.

    Anyway, things are moving along - still waiting on the sail
    from Duckflat.
    Now it's mostly sand sand sand ...

    Cheers for now,

    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    Yes you can wet sand providing bare wood doesn't get wet - it will stain if it does.

    Another way is lots of sanders have a pesky little bag that collects dust. If you can pick up a cheap vacuum cleaner or shop vac hook it up to the same outlet. I like the fancy ones made by Festo and others and they cost a bomb. But I've known plenty of folks who just pick up a second hand vacuum cleaner.

    Your sandpaper will last longer too.

    MIK

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    "... a pesky little bag ..."
    Sounds like my last girlfriend ...

    Yeah, thanks for that MIK, I've been doing it manually so the dust factor
    hasn't really been that bad. I decided to quit being a whining girlie-man
    and just get it done. I probably should pick up a good sander though.

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    By the way, I apologize if this is answered somewhere but I
    am assembling the rudderbox and the plans state that the
    19x45 framing can be reduced in width in addition to being
    thicknessed to accomodate the rudder fittings.

    Is 16 mm thick, 25 wide adequate?

    My fittings have integral pins on the pintles, not the one-peice pin.


    Peter

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    That will be absolutely fine.

    Most of the strength is from the rudder fittings and their bolts through the spacer. The side stiffeners are just to transfer that strength to the back edge of the box.

    MIK

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    Okay, so I broke down and bought a sander, the Festool ETS 150/5.
    No excuses now! Needless to say I was able to get the entire hull
    (sans bottom - haven't glassed the chines yet ) sanded in almost
    the amount of time it took me to sand one side panel by hand.

    I must say there's nothing like a quality tool .

    So that's more or less what I'm doing at the moment - sanding.
    Still need to coat the bottom and glass the chines and put a finish
    on the foils, sand and varnish the spars, finish the rudderbox -
    I really just want to go sailing! Patience is a virtue they say ..

    I'll post a few pics soon.

    Cheers,

    Peter

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    Cool Peter,

    The Festos have really good reputation and a good rep for service backup too, in Oz at least. It will last a long time even with heavy use.

    Digging up a second hand vacuum cleaner to suck the dust is really worthwhile too.

    MIK

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    A few more bits and it'll be time to get wet:



    I am hoping to launch her this weekend; if so, photos will certainly follow!

    Cheers,

    Peter

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