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1st April 2010, 10:39 PM #1
PDR, side dolly.
Hi gents.
Something I'm working on to move the PDR around easily and for loading onto a box trailer. Ill post more pics over the next few days. I'm working on a PDF detailing construction as well.
Thoughts and comments please?Nick
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1st April 2010, 10:51 PM #2
I'm not trying to force you to be conventional or anything ... but most people use them things with the wheels on the bottom
It's a good idea, the duck being square and flat sided. You may find problems in wind or rough ground though. Are you planning to walk beside it (in which case wind and rough ground don't matter) or are you planning to pull it? Or push it, that might work too.
I often carry Redback on my shoulder, and she has to be heavier than your average PDR, and her fairly square sides (at the gunwale) make that quite easy ... not that I'm suggesting you indulge in that sort of lunacy either.
I tried carrying the skiff on my shoulder but her wildly sloping sides make it impossible, that and the fact that at 15'6" long, she catches any wind like a square rigger and once some momentum gets going, you can't stop her twisting. Wheels of some sort for her.
Richard
utterly knackered so I hope this is coherent
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1st April 2010, 10:55 PM #3Nick
Fair Winds and Following Seas
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PD Racer #276 - "Duck's Nuts" - Oz MkII with Lug rig
Storer Eureka 155 - unnamed
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1st April 2010, 10:58 PM #4
It's worth a try mate. Should work a treat on smooth ground and by standing with the boat, you'll have lots of control over it. Rough ground might test it out - that is where a nice, stable, wide footed dolly with the boat down low and you tugging has an advantage, but I really think you're on a winner with your idea. Well done.
Richard
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1st April 2010, 11:04 PM #5
Thanks, I appreciate your comments...
Ill be building a simple frame that fits into the box trailer that the boat can sit on top of. The idea is to roll the vertical PRD up next to the trailer, tip it over so that it is leaning against the wood frame, then lift the other side and push to slide it on.
My motivation has been to work out a system that will allow me to get my boat on the water without any assistance... The minister for war and finance doesn't like being in small tippy boats, and I like doing things on my own...Nick
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PD Racer #276 - "Duck's Nuts" - Oz MkII with Lug rig
Storer Eureka 155 - unnamed
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2nd April 2010, 06:18 AM #6
Hi Nick,
It's good to see someone else thinking about single handed transport solutions, your method is unusual, and requires a trailer, the method I have come up with is also unusual, but allows single handed car topping ( using a simple set of clamp on beams and removable ramps - no trailer required ), and allows loading and transport over rougher terrain ( can be easily modified to suit a large variety of flat bottomed boats too ), once my PDRacer is loaded onto my trolley ( in sailing position ) it can be fully rigged ready to sail ( sail lowered ), before being moved to or from the water, without problems in any weather that you would normally sail in ( possibly in worse weather too ), all while doing it single handed ( I am working on the free plans now, after successfully demonstrating my system in a series of pictures already posted on this forum ).
Have you thought about any scratch proof material to apply to all surfaces contacing with your PDRacer yet, I will be using seat belt webbing, as it is slightly slippery nylon that should easily just be able to be glued into place where needed, and is completely weather and rot proof.
It is always good to have more than one transport system to choose from, as everyone has different needs ( using a trailer you might also consider being able to take multiple boats at once ), I wish you every success with your system, and have a safe and Happy Easter too.
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2nd April 2010, 08:24 AM #7
On the dolly, to stop it slipping I will use the non slip carpet underlay matting, available at grocery and home ware stores. On the trailer frame I have decided to use the seatbelt webbing you came up with, as I need the boat to slide but not scratch...
I must admit, I got many ideas from your system, I just didn't want to put the heavier PDR on my old car's roof...Nick
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PD Racer #276 - "Duck's Nuts" - Oz MkII with Lug rig
Storer Eureka 155 - unnamed
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2nd April 2010, 12:49 PM #8Prototypes-R-Us
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2nd April 2010, 01:15 PM #9
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2nd April 2010, 11:59 PM #10
Glad to see so many different ideas being shared
Hi Everyone,
Glad to see so many ideas coming out of the woodwork ( pun intended ), just as Nick didn't want to put his PDRacer on his car roof, so he developed his solution to make use of a trailer, I could not make use of a trailer because of lack of room to store it, and increased cost of registering a trailer, as well as the car.
This, and other solutions, come about because of specific needs, and I would encourage everyone to help each other, by sharing their ideas freely, and encourage people to use them, or whatever parts they can use fot their own solutions, this can be very useful to beginers, and will increase the appeal of the Woodwork Forums in general to everyone else.
And pdr311, your sugestion of using a hand truck ( in OZ they can be known by various names, sack trolley, delivery trolley, etc. ), hand truck is descriptive enough that everyone should know what you mean, and because of the much narrower spacing between the wheels, your solution should work on even rougher terrain than my solution, and is so much simpler for beginners to set up.
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3rd April 2010, 08:36 AM #11
In Australia some of the major cities have wheel shops. There is one in Brighton or Hove in Adelaide for example.
Often you can get something like a sack truck which might have narrow wheels and find a direct substitution that might manage rougher or softer surfaces a bit better.
MIK
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3rd April 2010, 08:52 AM #12Prototypes-R-Us
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The 'sack truck' I purchased has a resin frame, steel handle and plate, and pneumatic tires (tyres? Why not?) which work well for sand or rough terrain. The only issue I have with the lightweight frame and tires with air in them is that they float! This along with the timber framing, gives the dolly positive floatation which makes unloading in deeper water a challenge. But this turns into an advantage when loading, as the unit floats beside the boat and I can easily mount it overtop without grounding out the hull on the concrete launching ramps.
Rick.
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3rd April 2010, 09:17 PM #13
Hi Everyone,
The possible floatation effect of using hollow frames and pnumatic tyres can easily be offset by using metal rims and solid axels, the wheels ( includes the weight of the rubber pnumatic tyres ) and axels on my trolley, are about 2/3 of the weight overall, any buoyancy from the pnumatic tyres, and wooden frame should be completely offset by the overall weight.
If needed, adding weights to your trolley will compensate for any buoyancy, if your wheels are ball bearing types like mine, the extra weights will not affect moving it around on land enough to worry about.
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5th April 2010, 08:21 PM #14
I tested the dolly and loading onto the trailer. Even a 10 yr old child could do it, so easy, no straining at all!!! I am very happy with the end result.
Pictures and a Vid soon.
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions...Nick
Fair Winds and Following Seas
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PD Racer #276 - "Duck's Nuts" - Oz MkII with Lug rig
Storer Eureka 155 - unnamed
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6th April 2010, 12:11 AM #15
There's a lot to be said for the solution Matt Layden used on his Enigma for the
Florida ultra challenge. Stub axles poked into reinforced sections of the boat's
chines. His wheels didn't quite last the portage - tyres disintegrated after 20
miles or so - but no problems with the structure of the boat. It becomes its own
trolley.
Of course, this may not help getting it on or off a roof-rack or trailer...
cheers
AJ
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