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29th October 2010, 01:42 PM #16SENIOR MEMBER
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30th October 2010, 01:21 AM #17
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30th October 2010, 01:41 AM #18
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30th October 2010, 09:14 AM #19
The top pic is the same as my paddling style - kneeling and steering with my bum.
MIK
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30th October 2010, 06:55 PM #20
This is probably natural position - good for paddling, steering and skipper able to quick hiking...
For Loire paddling she needs to remove a rudder ...:
My friend Wojtek Baginski met a Brian who organize Loire Event next year and them visited Loire few days ago:
Val de Loire, 9-10.10.2010 - a set on Flickr
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31st October 2010, 04:06 AM #21
Still looking. So far I've got this:
"Damned heavy!! I helped a guy launch his at the Gardener Small Boat Workshop at Mystic Seaport this past Spring. Fully rigged, it took a lot of huffing and puffing for the two of us to carry the thing down to the water. I don't know that it was 355lbs because I could never carry 178lbs by myself.( at least, I don't think I can) Also, it had to be held upright in the water until the sailor got on board to balance it with his weight. Once he got going, though, it looked pretty cool."
So, definitely not as light as the Beth, with almost the same sail area.... Do you see where I'm going with this?
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31st October 2010, 07:17 AM #22
Hi Christophe
The weird thing about the 16/30 sailing canoe is that the rule allows a maximum length of 18'! Minimum beam is still 30", but it can be more, in which case you are allowed to carry more sail area.
There are other rules that relate to max beam at waterline, minimum depth amidships and maximum sail area as a multiplier of its beam.
As for weight, the "minimum weight in pounds, exclusive of centreboard, rudder, steering gear, and deck seat, shall be not less than length in inches multiplied by beam in inches, divided by 60."
So for a 16 footer with 30" beam, that's 96 lb (43.5kg). Certainly no lightweight particularly when you consider the added weight of the centreboard, rudder, steering gear, and deck seat!
(See page 44, WB #214)
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31st October 2010, 07:51 AM #23
I didn't get 214, so far WB has missed two issues this year. I'm not going to renew a subscription that misses 1/3 of the deliveries! I've placed a "missing issue" request for it, so I'm waiting patiently. I've got 215, which is part II, and the Small Boats issue.
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31st October 2010, 09:27 AM #24
I didn't realise the 16/30 was designed to a algebraic rule.
These are great because there is always some weird little corner which produces a silly boat, but one which will beat the others. It's probably lucky there are not enough of them to have real racing.
Interesting they are so heavy. Most of the pics I have seen have shown a lot of carbon. But much heavier than a plywood boat like BETH.
Looks like it is not a rule problem, but a lot of badly designed carbon or timber stuff.
Best wishes
Michael
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1st November 2010, 01:00 AM #25
Bruce--
From: 16-30 Canoe, weight
I haven't weighed mine, but I'd guess it comes in around 125-150. I can lift it by myself, but it ain't easy... As I recall, the displacement weight given includes all of the rig parts and the sailor.
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Daniel Miller
Curator, Antique Boat Museum
16/30 DragonFly
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1st November 2010, 05:37 AM #26
Sounds like it's a lot over the minimum rule weight. As MIK says, a lot of badly designed structure. The plywood version on the WB project should be much lighter. Amazing that it takes 7 sheets to build (5x6mm and 2x3mm).
Did you know you can download digital back issues of WB for only $3.50? Part 1 of the 16/30 article has the material list, plans an the table of offsets. This issue also has the article on how to build tapered wooden hollow masts (not birdsmouth).
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1st November 2010, 07:33 AM #27
I think that the weight he is quoting is from a plywood version of the 16/30 fleet their trying to put together here in North America. I'll ask to confirm.
I already paid for my subscription, I'm not going to pay them again for something they didn't deliver in the first place! I'll get my replacement issue at some point. In the meantime...
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1st November 2010, 07:44 AM #28
Also, I haven't seen the whole article so I'm not going to judge on good/bad construction, it could be good construction, but it has all the stuff like the sliding board and all the extra bits that Mik tends to avoid-- like the self-bailing cockpit with raised floor, the sliding board and all the extra structure, the extra re-enforcement for the masts, etc. All these points are illustrated in Mik's "blue box" at the bottom of the plan description for Beth. http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/storer/beth/index.htm
Last edited by callsign222; 1st November 2010 at 08:35 AM. Reason: clarity
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1st November 2010, 09:33 AM #29
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3rd November 2010, 08:28 PM #30
They really look fantastic.
MIK
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