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    Rick is a master of the understatement ... and also a fast worker

    Here are some pics. I spent 45 minutes laying it out, then had to go inside for Christmas festivities, then spent 20 minutes cutting out the parts, then had to go in again, then spent 20 minutes belt sanding all the parts and gluing in the butt straps on.
    I cut the third sheet in half, then stacked the four sheets together and cut out all the sides at once. Then seperated the two upper sheets and cut out the bottoms at the same time. Pretty quick and easy this way. I think the pictures explain a lot.

    Rick.
    Plywood and the tools for the job



    Oh .. the other tool for the job



    Lines drawn across the sheet at 300mm intervals. Curves marked either from the edge or the bottom panel centreline.



    Rick is a very experienced woodworker so is cutting multiple sheets at once. He has carefully checked that the jigsaw is not undercutting - be really bad if the panels underneath are smaller than the guiding one on top.



    Rick used a belt sander. to trim the sheets down to the line. Good job shown here. A belt sander will be quite risky for most people to use .. I recommend a plane. Rick got the belt sander for Xmas I think.



    Bottom panel laid out for gluing



    Side panels with butt straps on. Rick has been careful to lay the panels symmetrically as reflections of each other.. This makes sure the buttstraps are on the correct sides - both INSIDE the boat. This is a simple thing that a professional will do naturally (after making the mistake once in the past (mea culpa)

    The chine side of the panels is a truly strange shape induced by the changes in the flare along the boat. I basically decided to de couple the curves of the sheer and the bottom panel. The bottom panel making the bottom panel narrow in the ends and the sheer has to be much wider in the ends to give a classic canoe shape - as I said ... I stole the sheer shape from the Eureka.



    Not bad for an hour and a half of work. But Rick built the OZ PDR including making the sail and all the bits in 10 days working mostly in the evenings.

    All his pics and some longer comments are on Flickr
    Cheap, very easy to build simple plywood Canoe

    MIK

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    Rick is building in Canada ... in winter.

    Wonder what temps he is working in!

    MIK

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    Hi MIK;
    It's not as bad as it has been; the night I blasted those pictures together, it was a balmy -2c, and the snow is all gone. Canada is no home for sissies when it comes to weather.
    Rick.

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    No place for Aussies outside on a night like that either! Bet we can do a bit more at high temps ... but hell I always feel lazy when it is hot!

    MIK

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    One glueing option might be 3M's 5200. Thread running here about how tenacious it is and also how easy it can be cut through using piano wire!

    I hate 5200 (plank removal) - The WoodenBoat Forum

    I have a tube I bought to try glueing sails with and never used yet......

    looking forward to 3D!

    Brian

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    Thinking of Rick building the canoes as a previous builder of the PDR, the quickest acceptance of a flat bottomed canoe and take up of plans has to be the PDR gang.

    Have you thought about and already discounted Puddle Duck Canoe - PDC?

    Is that just two sheets of ply so far?

    Brian

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    Default Duck Tape

    There were a couple of messages earlier in this thread about using Duck Tape. We have a television program here in the USA called Myth Busters. On one episode they built a boat using Duck Tape and steel stringers if I recall correctly. Again, if I remember correctly, they began to take on water during their first and only trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter View Post
    Thinking of Rick building the canoes as a previous builder of the PDR, the quickest acceptance of a flat bottomed canoe and take up of plans has to be the PDR gang.

    Have you thought about and already discounted Puddle Duck Canoe - PDC?

    Is that just two sheets of ply so far?

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    Hi Brian;
    I like the name 'Puddle Duck Canoe' myself, but I am biased.
    I am building the larger version of the EZCanoe, and it is three sheets so far. You can only get half a side and half a bottom out of one sheet of ply. The third sheet is for the third and fourth sides with significant waste left over. I am considering building two canoes, which might come out of 5 sheets of plywood with almost no waste.

    Rick.

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    Rick,

    I guess you got bigger space than my layout because you pushed the panels as close together as your skill level could accommodate?

    It is pretty good to get two canoes out of the same materials (five sheets of ply) as that "Peace Canoe" that Woodenboat gave away plans for. The materials use in that was one of the reasons I got interested in doing a better flat bottomed canoe and just what was possible to try and make a flat bottomed boat work better.

    These ones are half the weight and half the cost built to the same standard. And a foot shorter. Much more suited to two people and gear.

    But we will have to see if they are an improvement over a regular flat bottomed boat.

    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailman58 View Post
    There were a couple of messages earlier in this thread about using Duck Tape. We have a television program here in the USA called Myth Busters. On one episode they built a boat using Duck Tape and steel stringers if I recall correctly. Again, if I remember correctly, they began to take on water during their first and only trip.

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    Howdy Ron,

    The duct tape will be used by most (if it works OK) to hold the panels together while some sticky stuff is used to permanently hold the panels together on the inside of the boat. Then the duct tape can be removed and the outside done in a more permanent fashion as well.

    So the tape won't be trying to keep the water out.

    Chuck of Duckworks did suggest the idea of putting the boat together with cable ties or similar and using one of the industrial grade duct/gaffer tapes to waterproof the joins. That way the boat could be mostly disassembled after paddling.

    It might have some leakage problems done that way ... or it might work really well ... but I think almost all the boats will only use the duct tape during assembly.

    Duct tape would not work for the Eureka Canoe btw ... It really has some serious tension in the stitching towards the ends of the boat. This would probably be the case for most nicely shaped ply canoes unless they have lots of panels to reduce the twist of each panel.
    Best wishes
    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter View Post
    Thinking of Rick building the canoes as a previous builder of the PDR, the quickest acceptance of a flat bottomed canoe and take up of plans has to be the PDR gang.

    Have you thought about and already discounted Puddle Duck Canoe - PDC?

    Is that just two sheets of ply so far?

    Brian
    I did think of this. However there are two reasons that while it is a marketable association, I don't think it is necessarily a good one.

    First is that the PD group has its own identity and ethos ... and it would be a hijack. If they wanted me to do it ... that might work.

    The second is that the PDR concept really does think outside the box by sticking with a box shape very closely. This is very much a defining feature. I think a PDCanoe should stick to this stricture as well if it is to be truly consistent..

    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailman58 View Post
    There were a couple of messages earlier in this thread about using Duck Tape. We have a television program here in the USA called Myth Busters. On one episode they built a boat using Duck Tape and steel stringers if I recall correctly. Again, if I remember correctly, they began to take on water during their first and only trip.

    Ron

    Here's a link to the Mythbusters Duct Tape dingy - [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9lNb67K4Hs"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame] - even the sail is duct tape.

    Looks like it worked pretty well to me

    I hate to think of how much that much duct tape costs however

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    looking forward to 3D!

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    Hi Brian;
    I have been sick with a sinus infection and a fever for the last 3 days, and have been flat on my back in bed. Today was an improvement, so I worked for about an hour and got it 3D.
    Rick.

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    Sorry to hear you have been stuck in bed. Hope you got the proper amount of sympathy from her indoors!

    Pictures look really good. She looks to have some flare or is that just the camera and she is in reality vertical sided? That third pic makes her look very pretty - not sure MIK was expecting that? What do you reckon MIK?

    Brian

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