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    Its the patina from use (and abuse) which seems to attract people to these boats. Mine has blown off a car, at a lake, while getting set to remove it for use, has had a roofrack break loose and had its bresthook ground on the asphalt, has hit a rocky outcrop while sailing, and has had numerous imperfections in the plywood patched by being smeared with mismatched sealing compounds. Folks almost always ask about the boat's antiquity.
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    Only a few months!!!!

    But that's what happens if you shoot rapids, do multiple eskimo rolls, do some downriver trips, roofrack it over half of the USA, fit it with three different sailing rigs, blast around sailing on inland lakes at high speed ... and more.

    MIK

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    Yeah, I named her "William Henry Harrison" because she seemed so tippy when I first sat in her. Wm H. Harrison was nicknamed Tippecanoe and he only lived about six weeks as President of US. This boat has proven better on both counts, but the joke lives on.

    BTY: first launched in March (03/17/2010) so I've gotten a good full season's use out of her. My cost is now well below fifty cents per hour of use. Like Beth, a small fun boat like this gets more use than bigger, heavier boats which are harder to transport and take more time to set up.

    I'm thinking of going lighter but with better quality plywood for the dedicated sailing quickie. In the shed I have four sheets of 4mm okoume and one sheet of 6mm. Can get 3mm in Annapolis and am thinking that 4mm for the bottom and 3mm for the sides might help keep the weight down (although I am not having any trouble cartopping this one single handed at my three score and six years).

    Got knocked down again yesterday with the 59 sq ft ketch rig. I was screaming along on a broad reach and couldn't get enough of my weight out to windward to keep her up when I started to turn her up into the wind.. A better sailor could have kept her on her feet but I'm still learning and that is half the fun. (Water temp was 63F and air about the same or a bit warmer, so no problem).
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    MIK,
    I'll put a photo up when I can.

    Paul,
    My cost is now well below fifty cents per hour of use.
    Thats a great advertisement for the QC.

    BUT... 6 hours work, a few hundred bucks, and 50 cents per hour of use in the first season.... .... we might have to find some faults before we start some new fanaticism!

    Paul, that comment about elegance.... I re-read "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" the last few days, and he talks about 'quality'. A good coincidence.

    I found out that chinese made 'box trolleys' are selling for $40 locally. The two wheels are solid, with rubber tread and a decent steel hub and bearing setup.
    Worth it just for the wheels and axle.
    I think I'll modify one so I don't have to carry the QC... on a windy day its hard to control up on the shoulder.
    Cheers,
    Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul.helbert View Post
    Yeah, I named her "William Henry Harrison" because she seemed so tippy when I first sat in her. Wm H. Harrison was nicknamed Tippecanoe and he only lived about six weeks as President of US. This boat has proven better on both counts, but the joke lives on.

    Got knocked down again yesterday with the 59 sq ft ketch rig. I was screaming along on a broad reach and couldn't get enough of my weight out to windward to keep her up when I started to turn her up into the wind.. A better sailor could have kept her on her feet but I'm still learning and that is half the fun. (Water temp was 63F and air about the same or a bit warmer, so no problem).
    When reaching - ease sails and BEAR AWAY - works like a dream. The mindset is kinda like keeping the boat under the mast and just keep hiking out the whole time and steer to give you balance.

    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clinton1 View Post
    MIK,
    I'll put a photo up when I can.

    Paul,


    Thats a great advertisement for the QC.

    BUT... 6 hours work, a few hundred bucks, and 50 cents per hour of use in the first season.... .... we might have to find some faults before we start some new fanaticism!

    Paul, that comment about elegance.... I re-read "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" the last few days, and he talks about 'quality'. A good coincidence.

    I found out that chinese made 'box trolleys' are selling for $40 locally. The two wheels are solid, with rubber tread and a decent steel hub and bearing setup.
    Worth it just for the wheels and axle.
    I think I'll modify one so I don't have to carry the QC... on a windy day its hard to control up on the shoulder.
    The cross beam spacer can be set up to assist portages shaped to go across the shoulders.

    Paul or someone else might have a pic.

    MIK

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    Ha ha... I resemble that remark.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    Only a few months!!!!

    But that's what happens if you shoot rapids, do multiple eskimo rolls, do some downriver trips, roofrack it over half of the USA, fit it with three different sailing rigs, blast around sailing on inland lakes at high speed ... and more.

    MIK
    I am anxious to build a QC dedicated to sailing. Probably with the flaired sides of the original QC (since that is so easily done and gives increased stability as the boat heels), the added beam and daggerboard, etc., as you see fit. I think my feasability tests of the narrow version have proven what I wanted to see as to amount of sail, etc. I'd be better off learning to sail with multiple sails in a more stable boat. Getting back up after a capsize (especially as winter approaches) takes too much energy. I may be slow but do eventually get the hint.

    Meanwhile, I may rework the hull of old #23 PDR into a PDGoose. Very glad to see your input over on Andrew's new group. Reminds me of the good old days.

    One question about the PDGoose. I have the Goose plans you supplied free to OZ II purchasers a year or so ago. Is that the same plan you are now selling through Duckworks? Or have you made significant changes to the PDGoose plans since that time?
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    It is the same one, paul.

    Rick landreville is building one using the side buoyancy tank only setup of the OZ Mk3.

    I will give him a yell. Maybe on the Goose thread on this forum.

    MIK

    The goose yahoo group is here for those who want to drop by - set up by Andrew Linn.
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    Spring is here. Got out sailing a few weeks ago with the small rig. Felt wonderful! I have backed off the complexity of the two masts and returned to the drop-in rig. Screwed it more or less permanently in place.

    Built a small version for an eight year old in time for Christmas.

    Just got started building an aluminum skinned, ladder frame version, more or less modeled on the QC. I had to reduce the height of the sides a wee bit to accommodate the 12" trim coil I had. I wanted to test the full sized version before going to France in September but don't have the plans for the regular QC, so plan to just add beam and scale it up.





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    Right click on broken image icon, copy, and paste browser's URL window to see photos. Beats me why it works this way, but it does.
    No it doesn't!
    Cheers,
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    Totally broken for me too, which is a right cow because I'm keen to see everything you're doing Paul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelB View Post
    Totally broken for me too, which is a right cow...
    Wow, a right cow! Never heard that one, and I like it.

    Try my photostream on Flickr: Flickr: helbert.paul's Photostream
    Shouldn't have to join anything to see 'em.

    My son, Eli, in nice creek run this weekend: Wilson Creek, NC - March 17, 2011 on Vimeo

    I work part time for a friend, and he is swamped with orders. Gotta run, but I'll post more to Flickr later in the week as the new boat progresses. The idea for the build method comes from: Herbs Boats
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul.helbert View Post
    Wow, a right cow! Never heard that one, and I like it.
    I'm pretty sure I got that from my old granddad but somehow I doubt it was his, so feel free.

    Quote Originally Posted by paul.helbert View Post
    Try my photostream on Flickr: Flickr: helbert.paul's Photostream
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    My son, Eli, in nice creek run this weekend: Wilson Creek, NC - March 17, 2011 on Vimeo
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    Thanks for that. And nice video of the 'creek'... I'm sure that might count as a river over here!

    Tell me, is that the sort of work you'd put a ply canoe through? I'm in no way a canoeist and I probably worry too much about the woodwork.

    As a matter of fact, my own Awi Zomé! fell of its high perch in the shed yesterday and I was surprised to find only a small dent, easily repaired with a dab of resin - from the loud bang I was expecting the worst.

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    That is Wilson Creek, North Carolina. I got to run it once, years ago, in a plastic canoe. All three of the boats in the video are plastic. These fellows might be okay in wooden boats here, but no, I don't think I would take a wooden boat there.

    Here is a the MIK inspired QC Mini that I built last autumn for the eight year old in the photo. She did the decoration. The boat looks to fit a bit big on her. I hope she will be able to get several year's use out of it and then pass it on to her brother.
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    That's gorgeous.

    Fantastic to see the whole family able to enjoy something together. Boats are good.

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