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    I have never used the lashing around the boom and mast on my GIS, as the square mast would prevent the boom to swivel freely.

    It has been working a treat the past 3 years and allows you to pull the boom aft in case you need to work on it whilst on the water.


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    I loosely lash the boom (hollow box rectangle) to the mast (hollow box rectangle) and have not experienced any difficulty in the way the boom swivels. The first time I rigged the boat, the lashing was too tight and the boom would not move at all! I sailed once in very light air without lashing the boom to the mast and didn't like the loose boom. (I use a 5:1 downhaul anchored to the deck about even with the leading edge of the mast.)

    Not a right way or wrong way... just whatever works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobWes View Post
    I loosely lash the boom (hollow box rectangle) to the mast (hollow box rectangle) and have not experienced any difficulty in the way the boom swivels. The first time I rigged the boat, the lashing was too tight and the boom would not move at all! I sailed once in very light air without lashing the boom to the mast and didn't like the loose boom. (I use a 5:1 downhaul anchored to the deck about even with the leading edge of the mast.)

    Not a right way or wrong way... just whatever works for you.
    Ever so true. I just wanted to show an alternative that has been working for me.

    I once rigged the lashing, but because it had to be quite loose it did no do much as the downhaul was taking the strain before the lashing could do its work. Ever since I have left it off. Movement of the boom is quite minimal without a lashing, at least in my experience, if proper tension is applied (as necessary anyway for the sail to function in most wind conditions).

    Other benefits are that it is easier and faster to rig, especially when sailing solo and hosting the sail on the water (I have to do that quite often as we don't have many nice beaches nor rigging jetties in most places in the Netherlands.

    Joost

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    Hi All,

    There was not sailing with my BETH "Yuanfen" last weekend - due I've worked in a old historic (since 17-18th centuries) little wooden church (in its polychrome interiors) as a specialist wood restorer... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skomlin

    ***

    Hoping to sail next few days...

    Image added by Storer (under creative commons)

    Last edited by Boatmik; 2nd July 2012 at 11:15 AM. Reason: link to the wikipedia added
    Aloha!
    Robert Hoffman
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    Quote Originally Posted by robhosailor View Post
    Hoping to sail next few days...
    Yesterday, July 4th 2012, I've sailed on Zegrze Reservoir again. It was fine sunny day with Calm and Light Air and few moments with up to Light Breeze (Force 2) ... Pleasant and resting sailing, but was very hot (over 30 dergree of Celsius) and weather forecast predicted severe thunderstorms and hail...







    At about 1500 that there was not very pretty cloud and the wind died, which provoked me to the end of the navigation. I was right - an hour later, once my BETH "Yuanfen" was in the hangar, began with a strong thunderstorm...

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    Also planned to sail today, but I had to give up ... because of strong ... toothache
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    Yesterday (Sunday, July 8th, 2012) started cloudy and warm (ca 25 degree of Celsius) with light air up to light breeze from West.


    Before departure...


    On the Southwestern coast of the reservoir....

    In the afternoon, it became even warmer and very sunny and wind turned to NW, and in the night passed an atmospheric front with thunderstorms and rain.

    Today (July 9th, 2012) at circa 1100 underwent a violent thunderstorm and rain, then showed a blue sky and sun. It seemed that the wind is blowing with a Force equal to 2 from West.


    On the trolley before departure...

    I started sailing under full sail, but very quickly I realized that I have too much of sail - not far from the shore, it turned out that blows irregularly, and much harder - full Force 4 and stronger in gusts. A little scared sailed to the opposite, Southwestern shore, where I took a double reefs:


    Circa at 1630 wind has weakened and I finished my sailing.

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    Tomorrow... a dentist again...
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    Maybe the Dentist will ask you why you are smiling!

    Looks like a nice day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    Maybe the Dentist will ask you why you are smiling!
    Oh! The whole week was marked by a dentist, surgery and testing (CT) , but the smile was also. Zero sailing, but matters connected with professional work a little improved, so the chance of sailing again soon.

    ***
    At the same time, my colleagues and friends took part in the Rally Boats Proa:





    Zlot Proa - Ba

    https://plus.google.com/photos/10515...JO6nc6ptfq4xQE

    Sorry ... there also I could not to take part
    Last edited by robhosailor; 14th July 2012 at 08:18 PM. Reason: link to the google photo gallery added, and another photo...
    Aloha!
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    They are so cool! I really like the authentic feeling of them.

    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    They are so cool! I really like the authentic feeling of them.
    Me too... New proa "Mata Pjoa" of my friend Janusz Ostrowski is near Zegrze Reservoir again, but yesterday was not possibilities to meet them.

    Yesterday was crazy...

    These are photos of boat on the dolly (trolley?)




    This one is made from wooden boards (planks) its wider and more stable than previous one. Its wheels are mounted on bearings, so that friction is reduced. Its working area requires coverage of a soft liner (carpet?) ... Yesterday I hit the foot of his hard edge. During the day everything was OK, but at night I felt a sharp pain, this morning I had trouble walking ... So I went back home early and I'm going to go to the doctor.

    ***
    I've sailed singlehanded, wind was very irregular again up to Force 5 in gusts. First reef on mainsail was taken.

    Several times rested on the south west side - just as this:




    At some point, the boat was based only by her bow on the sand. Fast turn the wind and waves made ​​by a large motorboat - they caused a tipping my BETH!!! Restoring to the normal position was fast, but half the cockpit of water ...

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    I have doubts about the stability of the boat swamped ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by robhosailor View Post
    Yesterday I hit the foot of his hard edge. During the day everything was OK, but at night I felt a sharp pain, this morning I had trouble walking ... So I went back home early and I'm going to go to the doctor.
    At present all is OK - no pain, no trouble walking ... It's ordinary bruise ... but the day of sailing lost
    Aloha!
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    Default Two first Polish Storer boats together.

    Two first Polish Storer boats together - Beth & GIS



    Today on Zegrze Lake, met together Robert and Jakub. Day was hot, but about noon was light and short storm.

    ps. forgive me for my english

    Greetings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljot78 View Post
    Two first Polish Storer boats together - Beth & GIS
    Thank you Lukasz for sharing this photo (sent from my cell phone by MMS)
    More of photos there:


    Few minutes before the storm - Jakub "Errak" and his wife Karolina rigging their GIS









    Quote Originally Posted by eljot78 View Post
    about noon was light and short storm.
    "Light and short"... Hmmm... Few kilometres far off Zegrze Reservoir (in small town Wolomin) strong stormy squalls on that time destroyed roofs of several houses...

    Few minutes after the storm we sailed our two boats together two tacks. Wind Force 3 - 4 and gusting up to 5 in Bft scale.

    Unfortunatelly "Errak's" GIS had a rudder's failure and they had to go back. I also went back - strong gusts were to exciting for me with first reef taken.

    Moments later, Jakub "Errak" and his wife Karolina were getting ready to returning home, and I decided to sail again. By one tack (really planing!!!) I've reached the south shore of the lake, where I've taken a second reef for return - the wind was still to strong, irregulary gusting, and to exciting for my skills and for first reef only. Karolina made short video of my departure - hoping to see it on YouTube soon...

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    Track of Errak's GIS:
    http://www.sports-tracker.com/#/work...q1vptqgc7bnq0c
    Last edited by robhosailor; 31st July 2012 at 05:29 AM. Reason: link to the Track added
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    Great pics of two very different boats together.

    Just a quick thought .. was the rudder failure because the tiller broke from the rudder box?

    If it did it was because a bolt was omitted - the one through the tiller at the top front of the rudderbox and the tiller. Can you check with them Robert? The bolt is very essential as it changes the rudderbox into something that is indestructible - it just won't break if the bolt is there.

    Sounds like you had a great sail!

    MIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    Great pics of two very different boats together.

    Just a quick thought .. was the rudder failure because the tiller broke from the rudder box?

    If it did it was because a bolt was omitted - the one through the tiller at the top front of the rudderbox and the tiller. Can you check with them Robert? The bolt is very essential as it changes the rudderbox into something that is indestructible - it just won't break if the bolt is there.

    Sounds like you had a great sail!
    Thank you MIK,

    Yes, they are very different - decked sailing canoe with vertical sides cat-yawl rigged, and open and light skiff cat lugger rigged. They have an identical LOA only.

    Yes, a sunday's sail was really great. When we sailed side to side, my BETH with one reef was faster than Errak's GIS a bit, but Errak is a novice (newbe) sailor and he quickly learns... His GIS has a big potential!

    My centreboard was not improved in terms of smoothness (I'm to lazy for it) but in gusts the vibration disappeared and the boat was speeding in a planing and I was afraid that any mistake will end my quick capsize!

    ***
    So, let go weld epoxy and some plywood of rudder box and spacers of tiller - yes there are no bolts on Errak's rudder box and on spacers of tiller.- I advised him to intercede there when repairing several thin (M 5?) stainless steel bolts.

    They (Errak and Karolina) starting their holidays tommorow, and the good rudder for them will be the basis for...
    Aloha!
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