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    Question Beginner's CNC Routing Question

    Greetings.

    I have recently been reading this and a number of other CNC related forums looking for information about CNC Routers with a view to purchasing one soon. I started my working career with many years working in industrial electronics, and then moving into computer support and computer programming. Now that I'm semi-retired, I've moved into woodworking. CNC Routers seems like a way for me to combine my electronics. computing, and woodworking interests, whilst using a CNC Router for a business venture I have in mind.

    I have a few CNC Routing related questions that hope some of the CNC Gurus might be able to provide answers to .....


    • I understand what the three axes are (or at least I think I do) with respect to CNC Routing (x, y, z axis - or left/right, back/forward, and up/down). However, quite a few CNC Routers that I've read about talk about being 4, 5 or 6 axis machines (but not much detail is provided). What are these aditional axes, and what sort of practical wood machiining applications call for these additional axes.

    A CNC Router sourced from China is about the only one that I could afford. I've looked at some of the ones marketed by Australian company's (such as the LAGUNA CNC Machines sold by Gregory Machinery in Brisbane http://www.gregmach.com/Machinery/CNC/). I realise that buying from an Australian supplier offers lower risk, and better technical support, although I suspect that the technical support will come from the US Supplier, or even from their OEM manufacturer. Unfortunately, the cost for these Australian marketed machines is well above my budget for what will be a very speculative business venture. I also don't want to build from scratch or build from a frame myself, as I really want to concentrate the majority of my energies on the business idea, and learning how to use the machine effeciently and productively. So, a few questions regarding purchasing CNC Routers ex China ......

    This forum contains many entries where members have related their tales of woe and sad stories of purchasing from China, with problems such as; Machinery delivered not matching the machinery advertised, Machinery being inadequately packaged and damaged in transit, Poor quality assembly of mechanical and electrical components, lack of adequate manuals and documentation, and the ubiquitous "you can fix it - machine is OK" response to problems.


    • Can any forum members recommend any reputable CNC Router suppliers in China ? Suppliers that they have used and that they have had reasonably good results from. (Please don't post responses that rubbish any suppliers. Let's focus on discussing suppliers in China who provide good reliable products and service.)


    Lastly, a CNC software related question. I haven't owned a Windows computer since 1999. I use Linux for all my computing needs, mainly because that is where my technical experience and expertise is focused, and because I believe that in most respects, Linux does a better job that Windows or OSX, in the majority of cases. There are a number of free Linux programs that generate g-code (e.g LinuxCNC http://www.linuxcnc.org), along with many CAD/CAM programs that can be used to produce the working designs and prepare them for CAM use. http://www.thebitbangtheory.com/2012...olchain-linux/ is a link to a good article that gives a few examples of Free and Open Source Linux software that provides a complete CNC tool chain under Linux. So, my question:


    • Are there people on this forum who have experience using Linux computers to run their CNC Routers ?


    Regards,

    Roy
    Manufacturer of the Finest Quality Off-Cuts.

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    LinuxCNC is a great, reliable cnc controller (it doesn't produce G code, it reads g code and sends the signals to motor drivers). I use it on a number of machines.

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    Some larger machines use multiple drives for a single direction of movement, e.g, a gantry unit might have separate motors, transmissions, controller channels etc for each side of the gantry. These are generally classified as separate axes, say X and A with A slaved from X so it follows it. That is one way an extra axis can be used.

    Some units like the Chinese one you mentioned may have a forth axis which operates a rotary table in a vertical face orientation, (there is not much point in a horizontal rotary table on a horizontal plane based machine as the anything that the horizontal tale could produce can be synthesised with coordinated X an Y movements). With a vertical faced rotary, the work is able to be rotated around the horizontal axis for engraving/scrolling etc around and along the surface. This is another use for an extra axis.

    Some high end machines will have the spindle assembly mounted in a gimbal assembly or something similar so that inclined spindle travel is possible, in one or more directions. This is more common in metal machining centres, where a machine might be machining an engine block. This normally uses another couple of axes.

    Generally, once you can define the tasks for a machine to perform, provided that you have the ready cash, you can find someone who can provide and configure a machine to meet your requirements, generally starting with 3 or 4 axis and added extra capability to meet the role.

    I have very limited exposure to Linux based gear, but did spend a couple of years operating a largish (2400 x 1800) 14 tool Procam unit in a kitchen factory. This machine used Linux based OS and US proprietary control software and was extremely reliable, about 4 days downtime over the 8 years of operation that it had prior to my leaving the owning/operating company. With this system, the company designed custom kitchens in 3D win7, then transferred the design to win 7 layout software to generate the workfiles for the machine via network.

    Hope this helps.
    I used to be an engineer, I'm not an engineer any more, but on the really good days I can remember when I was.

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