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    Default Fastening legs to table - conundrum

    Hi Guys, new user. Have had a search around the forum for an answer but have come up trumps. I’m hoping someone with a bit more experience could provide me with some ideas.

    I'm currently building a dining table. the construction is a large (2.5mx1.5m) top from recycled feature rich messmate and the legs are a box (loop) design.

    The top is ready for finishing and I’ve just built the legs last night.

    I’ve been looking for ways to fasten the box legs to the underside. Originally it was going to be just glued in and the table would have become a permanent fixture in the house. However we will now be moving in about a year, so Need to make the legs removable.

    I have considered some brass threaded inserts, but all of the ones that i can source are relatively small and would need a mountain of them to fasten legs securely i assume, and then some brackets for good measure.

    Have also looked at hanger bolts. Not as much a fan of these as the inserts.

    Can anyone suggest an alternative, or are these two methods really my only options?


    Thanks in advance

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    I thought I'd add a visual guide as to what im doing -

    http://www.bomboracustomfurniture.co...dining-table1/

    although teh design is more like this one (no angled legs)
    http://www.bomboracustomfurniture.co...-dining-table/

    I see that there are some battens/rails on this second one, but Im still not clear how I would use those properly while still allowing for expansion/contracton of wood.

    Cheers.

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    I'm not too sure sorry but it looks like they've used bolts up through the legs, 2 on each side and one in the middle. Having only ever used buttons for joining tops, I don't know where you could source them from :S

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    it looks as though the battens form a slot to retain the legs.

    how wide are the top of your "bands" ?

    how thick is your top?

    my initial thoughts are to rout a shallow slot for the legs -- say 15mm deep -- place battens either side of the slot attached to the top with screws in slotted holes to allow for movement
    the battens must be a tight fit to the legs.

    3 or 4 screws through slotted holes in each leg would be good enough to attach the legs to the top
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    it looks as though the battens form a slot to retain the legs.

    how wide are the top of your "bands" ?

    how thick is your top?

    my initial thoughts are to rout a shallow slot for the legs -- say 15mm deep -- place battens either side of the slot attached to the top with screws in slotted holes to allow for movement
    the battens must be a tight fit to the legs.

    3 or 4 screws through slotted holes in each leg would be good enough to attach the legs to the top
    The bands are 150 wide. I also don't have a router.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponzu View Post
    The bands are 150 wide. I also don't have a router.
    OK

    turn the top upside down, place the legs where you want them use 3 or 4 pairs of screws in slotted holes -- the slots should allow the top to expand or shrink in width

    attach the battens to the top so that they are tight against the legs -- attach to the top using screws in slotted holes
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    OK

    turn the top upside down, place the legs where you want them use 3 or 4 pairs of screws in slotted holes -- the slots should allow the top to expand or shrink in width

    attach the battens to the top so that they are tight against the legs -- attach to the top using screws in slotted holes
    Cool. also showing I'm amateurm how would i go about making slotted holes in 40mm stock? the only thing i was able to find online was how to use a jigsaw to cut slots between two drilled holes. Is it just a matter of jiggling the drill side to side to elongate the shank hole in the legs being fastened to the top?

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    One would use a router. It would cut two slots. One for the screw so it can move back and forth, the next plunge (say, half the depth, or enough to hide the heads) would make wide enough to let the head sit in.

    You'd make a little jig like this.

    Milling-Fence-Slots.jpg

    You can get really fancy, but this would do the job... but I can't find a pic to show it vertically.... the boards will want to expand and this is obviously the direction you'd make your slot. It needn't be huge, timber does move, but its not like 1cm or anything.

    If you don't have a router, you could rig something up with a dremel with the little router base attached. A router will make it a snap and is an absolutely essential tool...

    Another IF if you are in a pinch, just drill a much bigger hole using a forstner bit, say 15mm, then two holes within that side by side and chisel out in between the two smaller ones. Perhaps my incredibly terrible picture will demonstrate.....

    Untitled.jpg

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    You don't have a router, you're an amature, your web link shows some pretty neat looking items
    Experienced in removing the tree from the furniture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evanism View Post
    One would use a router. It would cut two slots. One for the screw so it can move back and forth, the next plunge (say, half the depth, or enough to hide the heads) would make wide enough to let the head sit in.

    You'd make a little jig like this.

    Milling-Fence-Slots.jpg

    You can get really fancy, but this would do the job... but I can't find a pic to show it vertically.... the boards will want to expand and this is obviously the direction you'd make your slot. It needn't be huge, timber does move, but its not like 1cm or anything.

    If you don't have a router, you could rig something up with a dremel with the little router base attached. A router will make it a snap and is an absolutely essential tool...

    Another IF if you are in a pinch, just drill a much bigger hole using a forstner bit, say 15mm, then two holes within that side by side and chisel out in between the two smaller ones. Perhaps my incredibly terrible picture will demonstrate.....

    Untitled.jpg
    Cheers the last solution i will manage

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod1949 View Post
    You don't have a router, you're an amature, your web link shows some pretty neat looking items
    seeing as were using emoticons to express ourselves I couldn't find the golf clap, so this will have to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod1949 View Post
    You don't have a router, you're an amature, your web link shows some pretty neat looking items
    Routers have armatures

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    So this happened. Its done. 2.5m×1.35 messmate table

    http://imgur.com/plUkwlB,eWKs8Id,05f54G2

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    Thanks to those that gave advice, a fat raspberry to the haters

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    Great looking table Ponzu.

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    For an beginner, that's a pretty impressive table.

    I'd be pretty happy with that. Nice job.

    Steven.

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