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  1. #1
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    Default Would this work? (frame and panel plans)

    Hey everyone,

    I've started planning out my next (slightly 'ambitious'/overly complex and insanity inducing) project and am wondering whether my idea for making the doors would work.

    At the moment my plan is to build them from standard squared off profiled timber then take them apart once the fit of everything is perfect and plane them to the final angled profile before putting it back together.

    I know I could achieve more or less the same result far more easily with veneers and applied mouldings though part of me is curious about how to build them with joinery.

    Here's a rough drawing of what i'm planning...

    Screen Shot 2015-03-26 at 12.28.39 AM.jpg

    And a quick doodle to show the joinery i was thinking of for the frame and panels.
    The fancy bits either side of the triangular section are ideas i had for mouldings attached with sliding dovetails.
    I think those would work, but i have my doubts about the additional sliding dovetail-ish joint forming the wall between them and the central triangular profiled frame piece.

    Screen Shot 2015-03-26 at 12.28.13 AM.jpg

    Any help would be muchly appreciated

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    Brief answer because I'm off to bed

    but I don't think what you have in mind will work in solid timber -- it appears to violate the rules for dealing with timber movement
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Nice project.
    I have seen this sort of thing before and they do work , the pieces in auction catalogues and books are hundreds of years old. It's because it's panel and frame that it does work.

    For panel and frame , the right way would be to shape lengths of moulds and slot them or plow them to take panels , cut them out to length and do tenons on their ends and mortises in their sides where needed , your idea looks very complex because you are thinking of mitered joins at the faces as well .
    That would mean a tenon in line with the slot for the panel but longer to go into a mortise and above it, a 45 degree end. Very possible for sure, but good boldly luck. Perfect drawing and making templates would be the way to go.

    The moulds you have dovetailed into the panel is not the way to do it , with movement in the panel the mould will move away from the rail or stile. That mould should be part of the rail or stile , So the triangular piece would be moulded on it's sides as well out of the one piece. if not all done from the one piece, then the smaller moulds should be fixed to it, glued and nailed or pegged, and not to the panel .

    Rob

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