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19th July 2018, 07:20 AM #16
Are these tables finished with a clear polish or do they have a dark stain washed on first to highlight the grain?
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19th July 2018, 10:15 AM #17
Yeah there is stain sometimes and colour between the finish even and the polish is clear mostly .
The clear polish sometimes gets colour added if I’m aiming at an exact colour a client specifys and it’s being steered towards that . This one was mostly natural with a bit of colour later in the job. It was my table for stock and I just make it look what I think is nice at the time . No pressure to get it exactly “this or that “. It’s definitely the way to get the best finish . Having to match colours is not like mixing paint with woodwork, and patina increases difficulty heaps . Being held to a colour sample by someone who doesn’t have a clue as to what is going on means they are doing themselves out of the better job . It’s a slight thing and they will probably never know what or why is happening five years later any way . Basically if you let the craftsman do his best and let him be free in his creative approach you get better than trying to steer him and control him. Which occasionally happens. But not much any more . I got a lot better at sorting that out over the years .
Rob
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19th July 2018, 01:20 PM #18GOLD MEMBER
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And I thought you had been slacking off and doing nothing! A few serious questions Rob, how does the final design get arrived at and do you do detailed drawings before you start? Also how long did it take end to end for the job. I had customers who were selling tables for $10,000 but this is in another league altogether.
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19th July 2018, 08:52 PM #19
Ha Thanks Chris . No slacking just busy and behind a little.
The design is drawn up with pencil and paper to scale and emailed to client. Options and any changes worked out from there.
Time taken ? Its around a 75 hour build and polish , spread out over a few months . Price is a little higher than your price but not by much, + 10 %.
I draw up the design and when I get the go ahead I work out all sizes for every part and write that cutting list up on a piece of wood as big as can fit in my pocket .
Its all double checked a couple of ways , mathematically and quickly laying it out on a stick and checking lengths.
Then the pocket size piece of wood is what I take around the workshop to measure and cut wood with. Ive got a nice little collection of these. Nice stuff where I may want to do again, I keep. And stuff Ill never do again, I plane off when I need that mobile phone sized piece of wood again.
I like a trail from plans to the cutting list including the Maths so I can back track and find where I made a mistake if I find one. And double or triple checking from a few ways often turns one up before I cut wood .
Rob
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19th July 2018, 10:59 PM #20Gatherer of rusty
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19th July 2018, 11:42 PM #21
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29th September 2023, 12:01 PM #22
This is simply a Masterpiece Rob. I have one question though which I keep meaning to ask, with all the beautiful pieces of work you create do you ever feel sad when they have to leave your workshop?, I mean were not talking about something that's knocked together in a few hours or days even!. Me and my sister in law who's an artist in Devon England had a conversation about the work that gets sold and how she feels sad when a piece she really likes
has to go. I know
I felt sad when I got divorced, not because I got divorced but because the Ex p*ssed off with all my artwork, portraits of the kids!.
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29th September 2023, 12:05 PM #23
I've got this page bookmarked because its simply too much to take in, in one reading! . Mind Blowing!.
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30th September 2023, 11:07 AM #24
Thanks Sam.
Not so much a sad feeling. More a bit of an empty feeling for a little while when it was something really good . The workshop has this piece that's been created over months and then all of a sudden its gone. So you get used to walking around this creation that gets better and better. People come in and then start coming back bringing friends in to see it coming together. And when its gone your back to wood and tools and machines and mess to clean up. There is always the next job to start so you pull out the drawings and forget the last piece pretty quickly.
One good thing that happens is I see them again sometimes. I get old clients sending me pictures of pieces that they want to move on and see pieces turn up in local auction rooms, Facebook market place and one great piece I built turned up in an Op Shop.
Rob
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30th September 2023, 12:42 PM #25
Hi Rob,
Where do you put your makers mark, just in case I see a piece on my travels?.
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9th October 2023, 02:52 PM #26SENIOR MEMBER
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9th October 2023, 03:44 PM #27
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9th October 2023, 03:53 PM #28
The tenons that I pictured are just machined to size . Buzz, thickness, leave a touch to thick, round the sides on inverted router and then thickness sand to exact thickness if need be. They are done in lengths of scrap then cut to length as I need them .
I Thought you were asking about a workshop made tenoner I built years ago at first. I thought "Did I mention that in this thread " and went looking for the mention.
It was a two router thing on a sled that would machine a tenon on the end of a rail for table building. It sat at the right side of my Radial arm saw. It worked but was a bit of a pain to adjust and get right before cutting. The ECA Wadkin is a luxury item compared to it .
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10th October 2023, 07:55 AM #29SENIOR MEMBER
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Sorry I was not thinking one bit when I posted (mortice & tenon dyslexia) - I meant the morticed slots for the tenons? They are much bigger than what the Festool Domino makes.
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10th October 2023, 09:04 AM #30
They are 14mm thick which is the thickest domino cutter that the larger Domino 700 takes. And by doing multiple plunges you can make them as wide as you like. They are 50mm to 60mm wide. Two or three plunges would have made each mortise. The picture on left is two test holes in a piece of scrap.
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I have made the M&T up to roughly 120 wide on some jobs. 12 plunges wide on this 10mm thick one.
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