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    Hi all,

    Last night I started dressing the facing frames (? ... Best term I can think of) for the first carcass to conceal the edges of the MDF.

    It's all going quite well, but I have started to question my planned method of fixing.

    Original design just called for a glue up of SBG facing frame to the MDF, but I am now wondering whether some sort of mechanical fixing would be better, or indeed something like a concealed tongue and groove.

    I am not sure whether I have to worry about expansion which is why glue concerns me a little. The facing pieces are 32mm wide x 19mm thick in the middle sections and 16mm wide x 19mm thick top, bottom and sides.

    By design, the frame has no function other than to hide the MDF edge. The hinge plates are screwed to the MDF. By implementation, I figure it will serve to stiffen the MDF and reduce any sag (however minimal).

    I haven't cut the back panel yet (hopefully I can cut this one square !!! ), which is why the carcass is currently backless - but it will also be made of 16mm MDF, glued and screwed to the back.

    Anyone have ay thoughts ?

    Glenn Visca

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    I put that badly Glenn.

    What I meant was that, apart from the great prices they ar good people to deal with.

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    Oh !! My bad !! Yes .. they were good. I placed order over phone, ready for pickup an hour later ! Fortunately they are only 15 mins up road from me ... So works a treat.

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    Just called in and am impressed with what I see.

    I have been dealing with lincoln sentry for 21 years and always found them to be on top their game. I find that their prices go up and down as the exchange rate fluctuates.

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    Thanks Rob. I haven't been on the tools for a number of years and I am thoroughly enjoying it.

    Machined more of the facing frame this evening, and glued up the carcass sub assemblies.

    Next we glue the sub assemblies into 1 large unit ready to cut the back panel this weekend I hope.

    Then attach the facing frames.



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    Beautiful weekend in Melbourne !!! Other than my team getting rolled ny Hawthorn in the last 30 seconds !! Oh well ... Good signs nonetheless...

    Anyway ... Back to the business.

    So this is overhead #1 ...

    Glued the subs together to make 1 large carcass, and cut a back in a single sheet and drilled clearances for screwing.

    Attached the back and applied MDF sealer and the first coat of paint (which matches the walls in the study)

    In amongst all that:

    Went to a charity walk for a friend of a friend with cancer.

    My father dropped by to dock some architraves for a window repair at their holiday house (bloody termites).

    Down to the beach to meet some friends and a late lunch.

    Down to the driving range with my son and mates and shank a bucket of balls (and consume a few bevvys).

    Friends drop over for Saturday dinner.

    A friend drops over with her toddler for a bit of lunch on Sunday.

    No wonder I am buggered !!! :eek::eek::eek:

    Cheers and thanks for looking.





    Glenn Visca

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    Hi all.

    A little more progress after work each night this week.

    Having machined the facing panel pieces, I set to and sanded and coated with shellac prior to glue up. My theory was this would prevent any excess glue coating the timber and preventing it taking a finish. It also means I don't have to shellac up to a painted surface. (All will become clear in the pics).

    No shellac applied to glue surfaces though.

    Also finished painting the interior of the overhead to match the walls in the study. Don't look too close ... It's not brilliant but hey, its the inside of a cabinet that will get filled with stuff.

    Docked the pieces and glued to the carcass after removing the back so I could get good clamping.

    Thanks for looking ...







    The outside surfaces will also have dress panels attached concealing the remainder of the MDF.

    cheers ...
    Glenn Visca

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    Right ... Back panel glued and screwed, and final coat of shellac put on the doors belonging to this carcass.

    Am off to Merimbula for the next week ... Woo hoo !!

    Glenn Visca

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    Back from a week in Merimbula. Just our luck .. the weather was a little crappy ... 2 good days .. 4 not so good .. wind .. rain .. sideways rain .. more wind .. but oh well.



    Went and bought some 66 x 19 pine to make cleats. Get home, load router with 45 degree chamfer bit .. not big enough to cut 45 on 19mm timber. Triton no good as blade won't tilt and I don't have a bevel ripping jig capable of carrying 1300mm long stock.

    What to do ?

    Decide to use jointer ... Easy .. if not a little tedious.

    Mount French cleat to rear of unit, and opposite cleat to wall. However, am only able to pick up two studs, so decide some extra mounts through the rear of the carcass required, so pre drill 4 holes in rear to align with studs.

    BTW ... Don't remember who it was on this forum that first gave me the idea of French cleats ... But whoever it was ... Thank you ! So easy to lift unit and have it pull against the wall nice and tight under its own weight. I have only ever used basic square edged cleats before.

    Anyways .. fire in extra 4 screws and she is all mounted up.

    Time to start carcass number 2 .. and in parallel do mods to other wall to extend stud wall.







    Thanks for looking.
    Glenn Visca

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    Great going Glen!!!
    Something to skite about as well as being useful!

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    Hi,
    It's looking good. You could have taken the saw out of the Triton and set the blade at 45 deg and used it hand held with a straight edge to keep you straight.
    Regards
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    Hi Glenn,
    Bad luck with the weather but a break is a break and usually helps to recharge the batteries. The wall unit is looking very nice and the door's have certainly come up a treat you won't know you're self when you have you're splendid work space complete. I am sure it will help make work a pleasure. Looking forward to seeing the completed job.
    Regards Rod.

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    Haven't posted in while .. so here is an update, with a question.

    Figured I had better change the wardrobe by reducing by 1 door to allow second wall unit to be installed.



    Manufactured 2nd unit, painted, glued and faced.

    Manufactured end panels, and glued. Photo shows fitting prior to polishing frame.





    And now my question ...

    On the underside of the cabinet will be another panel ... 4 x edge jointed pieces, just finished dead flat.

    To fix the panels to the cabinets, I planned to use a slotted washer (known as oval ID washer) with pan head screws through the cabinet base (to allow for movement) into the panel.

    Question is ... Where the bloody hell do I get them ? Tried Mitre 10, Lincoln sentry, Wilson and Bradley, hafele ... No luck !

    I have found the exact product in the US ...

    Any ideas ???

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    Having discussed my washer issue with Dad, his suggestion was to take to some large washers with a rat tail file to create my own ID washers.

    So down to Mitre 10, and there I see some 1/4 mud guard washers. A thought pops into my head.

    Put the 8g screws through a 3/16 washer, then onto the 1/4 mud guard washer through a 1/4 hole in the carcass base. That gives me a little bit of movement each way, and the washers will slide on top of each other .. well, the 3/16 will slide using the mud guard washer as a surface.

    That should do I think.

    I finished polishing 1 of the end panels and rubbed on some EEE, and then buffed with a swans down mop on the drill. What a lovely finish.



    The panels for the under sides are now completed, grain filled and sanded. Applied 1 coat of shellac based sanding sealer and lightly rubbed back with 600 grit.

    One of the panels was made from two boards ... 1 sap wood and 1 heart wood, so the colors were quite different. I decided to experiment with two different shades of grain filler to see if I could get them to a closer match. On the pink half, I used timber mate jarrah (quite Brown) and on the Brown half I used timber mate mahogany (quite pink). At the join of the two different board, I blended the two colors together to soften the color change (so theory says).

    This is the back (which hasn't been grain filled / color matched).



    And the front (after sanding sealer but before polish).



    The pink side is on the right in both photos.

    I think its a little closer ... Time will tell.

    Here is a photo of the other panel which was made from the same piece of timber, and has had the first round of polishing.



    Getting closer to final stages of assembly !

    Thanks for reading...


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    Very nice job.

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