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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    ......This first block was reasonably easy to saw in half but the next one just stymied the electric chainsaw. I figured the blade must be blunt, however when we used it for crosscut docking of these big 140x140 boys it was very apparent that the blade was still quite sharp. Musta bin a particularly silcacious log, or something....
    Reminds me of a couple of months ago when I was slabbing the butt of a large Jacaranda my neighbor had taken down (I've now got enough chair seats drying under the house to fit out a largish restaurant! ). It had all gone pretty well until the last length, which was from closest to ground level. I started with a sharp blade, which sailed through the first cut, as you'd expect with a soft wood like Jacaranda, but part way through the second cut, it slowed down to about the pace of the hour hand on a clock. I couldn't figure out what was going on but eventually ground my way to the end. It was getting dark by then, so I left it at that point & went home to sharpen the saw. In the clear light next morning, I could see a whole bunch of shiny spots, each about 2mm diameter, scattered all over the cut surface. Yep, some excressant person had driven a dozen 3-4" nails into the tree on that side, about 15 or 20 years back!

    Hardware is always a worry with backyard trees, but I foolishly believed my neighbor when he assured me that noone had ever driven a nail or spike into that tree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Reminds me of a couple of months ago when I was slabbing the butt of a large Jacaranda my neighbor had taken down (I've now got enough chair seats drying under the house to fit out a largish restaurant! ). It had all gone pretty well until the last length, which was from closest to ground level. I started with a sharp blade, which sailed through the first cut, as you'd expect with a soft wood like Jacaranda, but part way through the second cut, it slowed down to about the pace of the hour hand on a clock. I couldn't figure out what was going on but eventually ground my way to the end. It was getting dark by then, so I left it at that point & went home to sharpen the saw. In the clear light next morning, I could see a whole bunch of shiny spots, each about 2mm diameter, scattered all over the cut surface. Yep, some excressant person had driven a dozen 3-4" nails into the tree on that side, about 15 or 20 years back!

    Hardware is always a worry with backyard trees, but I foolishly believed my neighbor when he assured me that noone had ever driven a nail or spike into that tree!

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    That's why the timber mills are not interested in back yard trees. Ian it looks like you too have fallen foul of the duplication monster. I have also had that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Ian it looks like you too have fallen foul of the duplication monster. I have also had that issue.
    We used to have the option of deleting a post upon editing, but that seems to have gone in the last upgrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    That's why the timber mills are not interested in back yard trees......
    True - I would probably have passed on the butt log, but it was such a good diameter, & neighbor assured me there'd be no hardware. Yeah, right.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    .... Ian it looks like you too have fallen foul of the duplication monster. I have also had that issue......l
    Touche, Paul. I swear I only hit the button once - perhaps it is a problem at grand central after all. If it happens this time, I'll stir up admin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    That's why the timber mills are not interested in back yard trees......
    True - I would probably have passed on the butt log, but it was such a good diameter, & neighbor assured me there'd be no hardware. Yeah, right.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    .... Ian it looks like you too have fallen foul of the duplication monster. I have also had that issue......l
    Touche, Paul. I swear I only hit the button once - perhaps it is a problem at grand central after all. If it happens this time, I'll stir up admin...

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    Yep - it did. ......

    I got a "Do you wish to leave page?" message when I hit 'post', maybe that's got something to do with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Yep - it did. ......

    I got a "Do you wish to leave page?" message when I hit 'post', maybe that's got something to do with it...

    Cheers,
    Ok,. That is exactly what I see. I have taken to copying my post (in case the auto restore function fails) and exiting. Then I check the status. I think there is a glitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletty View Post

    The drift on my Laguna 14Twelve is currently extreme and the cut is made even worse by the inability to manoeuvre the heavy workpiece to compensate for it. I had it cutting sweetly after doing a complete ‘Snodgrass-tune’ but it has progressively developed a now intolerable drift. So, while waiting for the chainsaw and rip chains, I’m ABOUT to REtune my bandsaw and maybe buy a new ripping blade?
    It’s lucky I’m enjoying this
    I guess it all comes down to the definition of “about”? I finally got around to tuning my bandsaw today. I followed the Snodgrass method reasonably conscientiously and, although I didn’t find anything conspicuously wrong, the drift has gone and I’m able to resaw and cut veneers again?

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    The brush on the bottom wheel wasn’t making contact and so there was some crud pressed in to the neoprene (?) tyre which I removed but that, other than readjusting the guides, was about all I found?
    So, in the spirit of not looking a gift horse in the mouth, I am pleased, but.......
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    Fletty, just cut the blessed veneers, whilst the bandsaw is behaving itself. Don't question it's vicarious behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat View Post
    Fletty, just cut the blessed veneers, whilst the bandsaw is behaving itself. Don't question it's vicarious behaviour.
    Pat

    Is that a bit like the chainsaw philosophy? Cut as much as you can before it runs out of fuel!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Pat

    Is that a bit like the chainsaw philosophy? Cut as much as you can before it runs out of fuel!



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    Quote Originally Posted by fletty View Post
    Those of you who know me, would realise that I have NIL ability in keeping (at least woodworking?) secrets!
    The furniture that I am making as a sign of reverence to the “murdered tree” is to be a .....uhm ..... SURPRISE!
    This could make WIPs a little tricky as you never know who may be reading the thread. For example, I didn’t know that I had been working with 62woollybugger for 20 years. Strangely enough, he didn’t use that name at work
    However, at this early stage of making components, I can’t give away too many secrets by posting a WIP?
    My new design requires a number of curved sections and I didn’t fancy trying to steam bend a timber, one of whose common names is bastard box? I made a substantial former of the required diameter.....

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    .... and have made the first prototype which has now been sanded to 800 and finished only with WOP..

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    I experimented with thickness of laminations and have settled on 5 mm thick and held with my standard Titebond glue.
    Im finally back on to the project. The prototype curved piece gave me a lot of information but it also demonstrated that the formers weren’t parallel nor aligned while the glue set. Part of this was because the prototype was ‘only’ 35t x 50h whereas the formers were cut for a 40mm thickness.
    So, today I cut a blank 50t x 60h, resawed it on the sawbench with a thin kerf blade to give me a stack of laminations 40t x 60h. I did not dress the laminations after resawing. I also fitted a batten to the bottom of the former, glued the laminations and clamped it while watching more carefully where the clamps applied the pressure.
    The main things I am interested in checking are the evenness of clamping, the detriment, if any, in NOT dressing the individual laminations and, to make up the 40 mm thickness, one of the laminations was 8 mm thick. It bent very easily and may give me the time benefits of doing the final pieces with 5 x 8mm laminations rather than 8 x 5mm laminations?
    Now the waiting begins.....

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    When I watched Darren Oates' demonstration at Sturt, he used a solid convex (inner) mould and a piece of unglued identical timber plus a strip of spring steel (old bandsaw blade) for the concave outer side. I suspect this was to allow the necessary slippage to occur between the laminations as they were gradually bent into shape. I'll be interested to find out if using solid timber both sides will produce the same result. You might think about using a ratcheting tie down strap for the initial bend and then clamping the convex outer mould. I suspect you might run the risk of introducing unwanted stresses into the process.

    Just a thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glider View Post
    ...... I'll be interested to find out if using solid timber both sides will produce the same result....
    Good point, Mick. On the few laminating projects I've tried, I very quickly found that the laminates needed to be quite even and the cauls made very accurately, or you won't get even pressure on the laminates and you'll get little gaps here & there between them. Unless you end up with a lot of large gaps, the cured lamination will be quite solid, and useable if the sides of the finished piece are not visible, but a bit unsightly if they will be seen!

    As you point out, a strap is far & away the best way to get even pressure while the glue cures. The set-ups I've seen illustrated used spring steel straps, which means a whole lot of work making that sort of gear, but what about a couple of heavy-duty ratcheted tie-downs - could something like that supply enough force to bend your strips, Fletty??

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    ... but what about a couple of heavy-duty ratcheted tie-downs - could something like that supply enough force to bend your strips, Fletty??
    There are some pretty grunty tie downs around including those the truckies use. Even the ones available from auto stores are rated at a few hundred kilos. If the tension wasn't sufficient relying on the ratchet handles, I think a couple of well placed screw clamps would get you there.

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