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11th December 2011, 04:16 PM #16
I think the percentage of people that are satisfied with the quality of the saw seems very high. Of course I know of 2 people now (besides yourself) that have had issues from the start but one(or 2) bad apples doesn't mean this is a bad saw. One of them returned the saw for a full refund and the other got a brand new replacement saw from General and I believe he was happy with that.
You said in the past you are going back to your old Delta... What choices does this leave for somebody looking for a saw? What saw do you recommend?
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11th December 2011, 07:41 PM #17
I am tied of people asking for advice on forums and then i get abuse and get threatening e mails from over seas like lumber Jocks that is why I stay on this one I don't get abuse for speeking my mind
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12th December 2011, 12:45 AM #18
Still can't answer that simple question? If you look at the original post, nobody was asking about the quality of the Excalibur. Apparently from the feedback you got from Lumberjocks, I am not the only one who disagrees with you.
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12th December 2011, 11:26 AM #19Retired
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Keep it civil Patch.
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12th December 2011, 04:44 PM #20
you must be doing sheila a lot of damage with some of your comments you make I have bought some stuff of her before but no more and as for that question I never recommend any type of equipment
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12th December 2011, 08:42 PM #21
My two bobs worth.
I bought a second hand Excalibur 21 recently. Though I don't use it every day and it doesn't run as true as my hegner I have enjoyed using the saw. The ex does seem have a bit more power then the hegner.
I did have some reservations about the Excalibur after reading patches comments, but the overall majority support the saw.
Hopefully it will last for years.
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12th December 2011, 09:06 PM #22New Member
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12th December 2011, 11:55 PM #23
Finally, an answer...or non-answer. So when people ask us what type of saw to get we should just tell them to pick one on their own and hope for the best? Since we work in this business and get asked quite often, we have to have answer to this question. We can't just tell people to go figure it out on their own.
The fact is, General International's quality control, thought certainly not perfect, is better than the vast majority out there and they are one of a select few scroll saw manufacturers worth recommending. Since the Excalibur is the only saw that has the combination of all the features we want, and in our opinion good quality for it's price point, this is the one we recommend.
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13th December 2011, 04:31 PM #24
I will continue to make comments about my experience with this saw I have made a lot of modifications and I have told General International about them and that is up to them what they want to do with them .
now I think this has gone far enough making comment back and forth is not helping readers of this forum and in case you have for gotten that is what it is all about so this will be my last comment here good by Keith
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18th December 2011, 11:07 PM #25
Now I'd like to point some things out
1 Jim is one of big backers of this forum
And he bends over backwards to help anyone and every one on and off this forum
2 it is in know ones rite to rubbish any product he is selling
3 this is a open forum if you fell the need to have a go at any member it is not the smart thing to do as this is watched by a number of the forum admin
If you have nothing better to do with your time then sit here and have ago at people I fell sorry for youDANGER!!!!I'm Dyslexic Spelling may offend!!!!!
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19th December 2011, 11:32 AM #26
Admin: have already made a comment on this thread N Z Carver. The matter seems to have gone quiet, and that is for the best.
Buzza.
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1st January 2012, 01:21 PM #27Senior Member
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I bought David a Hegner without consulting him. It ended up being a good buy, despite the really high price. It has done plenty of work, predominantly with hardwoods, and hasn't missed a beat. We have both noticed the level of vibration and noise coming from the machines of demonstrators at wood shows.
The Excalibur, which I have seen being used a number of times at shows, struck me as very noisy. I even commented on it to David. The Hegner simply does not vibrate, nor is it noisy. It did get a custom made stand but there was no need to do anything more than bolt it on to a narrow framework. This was done more to put it on a convenient height to work at than to deal with vibration.
So, what's my point? Well, you get what you pay for. Although the Hegners are not all made in Germany, their quality control and materials remain top notch, and I think this is the key to getting a good product.
And just a short note on Taiwan - getting machines made in Taiwan should be better than some made elsewhere in Asia (we all know where), because machines have been produced for years for the US market and they have strong lemon laws there, meaning people get their money back (not just another crappy piece of second rate equipment to replace the first crappy piece as is the practice of some of the Asian manufacturers). So, in theory, at least, the quality control there should be better in a Taiwanese made machine.
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1st January 2012, 06:15 PM #28Noel
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Hello lilib,
I feel I have to agree with you about Taiwan. I have a Trupro, (bought off Jim) made in Taiwan and I honestly can't fault it. I have had it now for about 4 years and all that has gone wrong with it is a couple of small bearings. And I buy them at the local auto shop. It gets a LOT of use, too. My wallet is not thick enough to stretch to the Hegner but the Trupro is so similar that I actually use the Hegner manual. I do not have it fastened down by any means - it just sits on the bench - and it doesn't move at all. The vibration is pratically zero as well. I have a radio playing quietly in the shed and I can hear it perfectly over the noise of the saw. Back and forth blade deflection is zero.I have tried other saws and none come close to it - except the Hegner, of course. Some of the cuts I have made are so fine I don't think I could have made them with a lot of other saws.
Noel
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3rd January 2012, 08:20 AM #29Senior Member
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I have been reading this topic ever since it started with a lot of interest developing into a disgust.
My first comment is to congratulate NZ Carver on his/her input. I think it shows a lot of inner strength to do enter into the discussion. My spelling is very poor and it has held me back in many ways and I don't know what I would have done without the support of my wife and now spellcheck. Good on you NZ Carver and I hope we hear a lot more from you.
The second is to support Trustingibbsy with his selection of a Tru Pro saw. I bought one of these saws a few years ago from Jim Carrol and I couldn't be more pleased with it and Jim's service. Only a few days ago I was using it and listened into it working. It was very quite and vibration free. If the Hegner is better than this saw it must be outstanding. The only thing I had to do with the saw was to glue a pin into place on the upper arm because it was moving out when working. I also replaced a couple of plastic rollers on the upper clamp area with a couple of brass rollers made from brass tube.
The third point is the service that Jim supplies. As far as I am concerned he is A1 and it troubles me to think he might be put down. It is poor publicity that make people go out of business and we wake up one morning complaining that we have no suppliers to cater for our interests.
If there is need to address poor products as is the case at times I think all care should be taken to direct to complaint to where it comes from and not at someone who is not responsible for it.
As far as the EX saw is concerned I steered away from it because it has to many moving parts and we all know that complicated things are open to problems.
Red Gum
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3rd January 2012, 10:48 AM #30
Excalibur Ex-21 Scrollsaw special
Thank you for all the positive and negative comments .
The special for these scrollsaws has finished so I am closing this thread.
If you want to continue this discussion please start a new thread, but please keep it civil.Jim Carroll
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