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    Looks like Total Tools price is pretty good then and free delivery. I have got a couple of texts today saying they have a massive stock clearance on so going into a store may offer an even better price.

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    Had a look at one today, naturally the promoted specials are for things without motors in them but at $549 I thought they were a reasonable buy. The adjustment screw is only 6mm but with lubrication it should be fine. Don't know about the extension collets, I might wait and see just how awkward it is to change the bits with the standard setup before I jump out and buy a collet extension. They were pretty heavy, the router table will need to be pretty chunky to support the weight.

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    I have a slightly different and annoying problem. I was trying to use my old Bosch GOF ACE 1300 plunge router on my Triton router table. After hours of sweat, adjusting the location of the router and fixing a chamfer bit, the router slowly slip from the set position. It seems the spring from the plunge mechanism was the problem. Just wondering if anyone has the same problem? Shall I follow the advice and use a car jack?
    Any help much appreciated as I am relatively new to routing.

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    After struggling for years with what was admittedly a fairly serviceable Elu MOF 177E/Triton combination, I quite reasonably concluded that I was not really anatomically equipped with the 3 requisite hands & padded forehead necessary for appropriate height adjustment.

    These days I have a much more serviceable cast iron/aluminium sliding router table with convenient & accurate (following some fairly extensive fettling it must be admitted) operation that can rebate, tenon, mould & groove accurately & relatively easily. Having tried a 2400w Triton router in between times, it just didn't feel right to me, & despite the 10A motor didn't realistically seem as powerful as the much older & "weaker" 1850w Elu was! Despite this, the fine depth adjustment was advantageous, rapid & accurate in comparison.

    I've finally settled on a much more powerful DeWalt DW626 router, which at 2300w seems only bettered by the monster Mafell LO65's 2600w. The Mafell is unfortunately just too rare & expensive for my limited means. I've instead fitted the DeWalt with a Woodrat Plungebar (Type F I seem to recall?) which offers single handed operation & adjustment, together with a usefully rapid long-stroke one-hand leverage type adjustment & lock/unlock that works as well both freehand & table mounted. No modification was necessary to fit my router.

    Combined with either an accessory collet (Musclechucks are great, Whiteside "Eliminator Chucks" are almost as good too) or on occasion an Xtreme Xtension standard/accessory collet extender allows compensation for the table top's depth-robbing thickness and above-the-table bit exchange. Any extension of the overall router arbor with accessory chucks &/or extensions will require careful initial adjustment & fettling to eliminate the introduction of unwanted non-concentric vibration. The combination of powerful router, Plungebar, collet substitution/extension & heavy cast iron table has extended my table routing capacities & capabilities far beyond what I was capable of 35 odd years ago with the Elu/Triton combo. A bit can be exchanged above the table & set accurately to depth with a single hand in seconds. Impossible with a cradle, Router Raizer or the like.

    The whole kit & kaboodle, admittedly bought (mostly) second hand, evolved & developed over a decade or so, has cost me around about $500 odd. This is around about the price of one of those rather useless, depth of cut robbing hand-wound router depth cradles that seem to be so much in vogue these days. Why I fail to understand. My current setup is just so simple, pleasant to use, accurate & rapid to adjust & inexpensive that I'm pretty confident that at least for my style of use it simply cannot be bettered.
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    Or as discussed in this forum a few times use a CNC spindle, cheap and more powerful than any router with decent chucks available for a a reasonable price.
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    As an update to this post, I ended up buying the big Makita router, a router extension and the new router table with router lift from Carbatek. The instructions for assembling the table were a little vague and I had some problems with the Makita's depth-of-cut adjustment coming loose (fixed that with a coupe of nuts locked onto a threaded rod to hold things in place rather than rely on the Makita cam-lock lever). The Carbatek height adjustment is precise with minimal backlash, the fence seems to work OK, the top is pretty level, the frame is sturdy, I am happy!

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    I have s similar dilemma. SWMBO bought me a CI router table with an old Triton. I then bought the Raizr but the whole thing blew apart and the internals of the Triton adjust are coming apart.

    I am now looking for a replacement with an above table adjustment but not sure I want another Triton. It will be dedicated to the table. I do not want to rely on getting under the table since it is too cumbersome. Also, I do not want third party lifters.

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    While the Triton was a good design, it had quality control issues. Makita have a good reputation, that's why I went that way. Id you but the same setup that I did (from Carbatek) you will need to fiddle around a bit to get the big Makita to fit in the Carbatek router lift. You will also need to remove the plastic "slip plate"from the bottom of the router to get to the mounting holes that are drilled in the router base. It is then a matter of finding the right matching holes (there are lots of them!) in the router lift and then bolting the two together. Do not rely on the Makita travel lock to hold the router at the correct height, use a locking nut on the threaded bolt on the router to hold the router in a firmly fixed position.
    Then have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yanis View Post
    I have s similar dilemma. SWMBO bought me a CI router table with an old Triton. I then bought the Raizr but the whole thing blew apart and the internals of the Triton adjust are coming apart.

    I am now looking for a replacement with an above table adjustment but not sure I want another Triton. It will be dedicated to the table. I do not want to rely on getting under the table since it is too cumbersome. Also, I do not want third party lifters.
    Look, I may be wrong here - it's been ages since I last looked - but as far as I'm aware there's only one router that currently has dedicated above-the-table depth adjustment. Trend's T11. It's usually much cheaper to buy this tool from "unofficial" sources such as UK retailers, ebay.co.uk etc. than the alarmingly expensive "official" channels. Parts will be available from DeWalt: it's a variant (baseplate, depth rods etc) of their venerable Elu MOF177/DeWalt DW625 models.

    Having said that, there's little available that I've seen to beat the speed, ease & lack of expense of Woodrat's plungebars for rapid, easy & accurate depth adjustment & locking. At least in my own routers, anyway (Elu/DeWalt).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Hilly View Post
    ... the Carbatek router lift.
    The only router lift I can see from Carbatec is nearly $500. I was hoping to get a router for this price.

    I saw that Bosh have a new model with a quick change base system but the fixed base, which appears to have a through table adjustment is not available in Australia.

    This would be perfect since it is just a simple clip to remove and place into the plunge base.

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    This would do what you want using a spindle and linear bearing rails

    https://www.popularwoodworking.com/p...e-router-lift/

    Rails

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/8MM-200-...frcectupt=true
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    Ratbag, I cannot help but comment on the Elu 177e router as I have two and have one dedicated to a router table. My router table needs are probably more modest than most, but this is a powerful router, and seems to me to have more than the 2 1/4 hp that is specified. I have not felt (in 25 years of using this model) it was struggling. It powers through everything. When others mention the DeWalt update at 3 1/4 hp, I shake my head in wonder and amazement. I would say that this power is only needed for wide raised panel bits. Indeed, most 2 hp modern routers should suffice with moderate router bits ... unless one insists on cutting great depths in one hit.

    I purchased this particular 177e about 12 months ago on the UK eBay. They frequently come up there, and the price is very attractive for a quality router. The Elu has an enviable reputation for a good reason. It is used with a MuscleChuck and Router Raiser, and a fence I built. No doubt that there are better fences with micro adjustment (I tap mine with a hammer). Then again, mine cost the price of scraps in the workshop.

    The router table is on the outfeed of my table saw.

    Elu with handles removed ...




    Router raiser and MuscleChuck ..



    Fence (installed prior to adding the router raiser) ...



    I may be missing out on finer adjustments, but this is about as inexpensive as one can get to create a fully functioning set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    ... the Elu 177e router as I have two and have one dedicated to a router table. ... It is used with a MuscleChuck and Router Raiser, and a fence I built.
    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    Thanks for that. I will look into this combo. I was not unhappy with the Triton and the motor and chuck still works fine but the Raizr was somewhat problematic, partly due to the internals of the mechanism of the router failing and partly due to the fit of the Raizr in this particular model.

    I am happy with the table and it comes with a CI fence with extraction and mitre slot, but no insert so that is a thing. The Triton was perfect for it since the bit replacement was a doddle. So many swings and roundabouts.

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