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    My replacement trimmer arrived yesterday, and this one also has run out although not as severe as the first unit. The sellers sent out a complete trimmer unit and didn’t request return of the other so currently I now have two.

    It would appear that the collets are the faulty components; I’ll try using a genuine Makita one and see if that cures the issue. In any case I’ll start the writ8ng up review this arvo.

    Hoey, are you going to return the entire unit? I just asked to replace the motor asssembly and he sent out a complete trimmer. I’d be interested to see what he offers you.
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    I have on of these, just had a look after seeing this thread and the post in the plunge base was fractionally proud of the base plate, so never noticed it, just sloppy drilling of the post retaining pin hole IMHO, took a few seconds to level it. The dam collet is a problem though, I was able to reduce the initial runout significantly by mucking around with it and for the rough sign making I was using it for it was fine, I would love to know if the Makita collet would fit though as it would make it even more useful. I'll see if one of the WW people I know has one for a test.

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    Chief, i shot him an email to return it last nite and am waiting for his responding.

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    Makes me wonder at how many of these crappy routers are sold and never queried.

    Seems so far that buying the genuine thing is a Good Idea.

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    On my way home after work today I stopped by sydneytools and picked up a little dewalt router made in Mexico even though that i like the makita better.

    I am avoiding to subsidy china economy as much as i can Others countries need my money as well

    Anyway i am returning that cheap router to the seller.

    I was just curious about the quality of that cheap router hence bought it.

    Here s the one i picked up earlier, hope it's ok.
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    There's a tiny run out from spindle/collet. I think i can live with that.

    I did 3 plunges near the one from the cheap router with the same bit from last night.
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    Well, I can confirm the runout is entirely due to the collets. I threw a clock gauge on the inner cone of the spindle and it runs true; then I measured the side walls of the collet and found that the bore is off centre by 0.02mm at the top end putting every cutter at a slight angle. The longer the cutter, the more pronounced the effect at the cutter tip.

    Not mentioned yet though is that two collets are supplied; a 3/8” is also provided. I happen to have an old 3/8” shanked cutter that I’ve never had a tool to use it in before now so that will be used for the function testing tomorrow arvo. The larger collet does run true; I proved it to my satisfaction by chucking in a 3/8” drill bit and not seeing any appreciable lateral movement at the drill tip when turned by hand.

    As mentioned before I am thinking that a genuine Makita collet would be compatible so I have ordered one from my local Trade Tools franchise, $21.

    So, tomorrow I intend to perform some actual test cuts and see how the attachments hold up. This will be in a new thread, but right now I can confidently say that the CURRENT batch of trimmers being sold on Ebay are NOT of an acceptable quality due to the collet issues. Derek’s unit is obviously from a different batch and I hope that the quality returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
    On my way home after work today I stopped by sydneytools and picked up a little dewalt router made in Mexico even though that i like the makita better.

    I am avoiding to subsidy china economy as much as i can Others countries need my money as well

    Anyway i am returning that cheap router to the seller.

    I was just curious about the quality of that cheap router hence bought it.

    Here s the one i picked up earlier, hope it's ok.
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    Hoey, at $415 I should hope that it is OK Comparing it to the cheapie is apples to oranges. I think I paid about $70 with postage thrown in.

    The DeWalt looks a very nice router. As an owner of 4 Elu's, the forerunner of DeWalt, I have an affection for the brand.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Tiff View Post
    Well, I can confirm the runout is entirely due to the collets.

    .... I proved it to my satisfaction by chucking in a 3/8” drill bit and not seeing any appreciable lateral movement at the drill tip when turned by hand.

    As mentioned before I am thinking that a genuine Makita collet would be compatible so I have ordered one from my local Trade Tools franchise, $21.

    ... Derek’s unit is obviously from a different batch and I hope that the quality returns.
    I used the trimmer on the recent coffee table built (with a round over bit for the handle). I would have been bummed, to say the least, if it had screwed up the drawer front! It did the job flawlessly. I did post pics of the router removing waste from dovetails. It worked perfectly there as well. My apology if I have recommended a tool that is not 100% as I believed it to be.

    As mentioned at an earlier time, I have a Makita trimmer as well. However I cannot comment whether the collects are interchangeable as the Makita I have is an old one and only 1/4". The new versions cater also for a 3/8" shank, and this uses a different (reduced shank) 1/4" collet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Hoey, at $415 I should hope that it is OK Comparing it to the cheapie is apples to oranges. I think I paid about $70 with postage thrown in.

    The DeWalt look a very nice router. As an owner of 4 Elu's, the forerunner of DeWalt, I am have an affection for the brand.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    I bought a dw621 as Christmas present for myself and this little dewalt is for back to work present

    This hobby is very expensive! but I like the journey hopefully I could make something when I think i got enough tools.

    Sorry Bernmc for hijacking the thread, wont do this again.

    PS. The seller accept for the return of the router just a moment ago, he did offer to send me a replacement but I refused.

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    Is there any "middle ground" in trim routers? There is the ebay one (when available & dubious quality) for around $130 for the kit with multiple bases, then the Makita it at around $340 then the Dewalt at over $400. I didn't think I would have much use for a router, but after reading this thread & looking at articles & videos on the interweb, I now think one would be quite handy, especially mounted in a small benchtop table.
    Are there any trim routers, with plunge base in the $200-$250 price range that are worth considering?

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    I now think one would be quite handy, especially mounted in a small benchtop table.
    Are there any trim routers, with plunge base in the $200-$250 price range that are worth considering?
    A trim router does not belong in a router table. At 1 hp and 1/4" (perhaps 3/8") shank, it is underpowered. If one insists in using it beyond its envelope, then expect that it will burn out.

    Similarly, there are a number of accessories for a trim router - plunge base and tilt base - and I struggle to see the value or use in these. The plunge base is very basic. It will not turn a trim router into a precision machine. The tilt base ... ? Just use the correct router bit.

    When you pare back the trim router to what it is intended to be - a small machine that may be used with one hand, and is ideal for trimming edges (usually laminate, hence its name), and rounding over or other one-handed operations (such as my clearing waste from dovetail sockets) - then there are a few affordable machines around.

    I would still consider the cheapie I have. The motor is strong and the basic machine is true.

    At $229 there is the Makita version.

    For a router table, you need a 1/2" shaft with at least 2 hp. This Makita is $159. I know nothing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen
    A trim router does not belong in a router table. At 1 hp and 1/4" (perhaps 3/8") shank, it is underpowered. If one insists in using it beyond its envelope, then expect that it will burn out.
    I've mounted mine (Bosch Colt) in a very basic table -- a piece of ply with a hole sized for a particular cutter and a two point fence. Doing so was for a particular task where mounting in a "table" was easier than building a jig to hold the work pieces for overhand routing.

    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen
    Similarly, there are a number of accessories for a trim router - plunge base and tilt base - and I struggle to see the value or use in these. (snip) The tilt base ... ? Just use the correct router bit.
    With quality router bits costing around $20 to $40 each, the ability to angle the base and just use one straight bit for a range of chamfers has some value compared with buying separate bits for 15, 30, 45 degree chamfers.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    I used the trimmer on the recent coffee table built (with a round over bit for the handle). I would have been bummed, to say the least, if it had screwed up the drawer front! It did the job flawlessly. I did post pics of the router removing waste from dovetails. It worked perfectly there as well. My apology if I have recommended a tool that is not 100% as I believed it to be.
    I think it's a great recommendation, Derek. Mine has a bit of collet wobble too, but anyone who expects a $70 chinese machine to be a precision tool is a true optimist . 2 year old chinese sweatshop workers aren't known for their fine motor skills!

    Mine has been happily rounding edges and will be put to work in a few DIY machines. I'll have a play with the collet to see if I can tighten things up a bit, but all-in-all, for the price, I really can't complain. I'll still get a makita or DeWalt for precision work, but this little guy is doing a fine job for now.

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    Just a quick comment: I finally found where I had put the other collet supplied with the unit, I repeated a test that someone else on here had done and placed a long drill bit in it, 130 mm in my case - it was absolutely perfect at the tip.

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