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Thread: my clearvue cyclone setup.
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10th January 2009, 10:18 PM #1
my clearvue cyclone setup.
Getting my workshop happening , and I remember some blokes here asking me to show pics of it when it happens. can't sleep so here ya go. try and write what I can remember.
There was Issues with motor compatibility being from the states; fear the leeson motor wouldn't work well here. I got the 5hp 3phase leeson, and no problems. Its drawing 4.9A the electricians says. no problems at all so far with the motor.
Its the 1800Max setup. I've got it setup outside in a seperate awning, which turned out to be a good idea, since the noise is considerable. Inside, its just a low hum. happy with that.
pic 1.... I got an old sealable 44gal drum. riveted and siliconed a floor flange to it, to fit to the cyclone. One of the fears I had was our 150mm ducting not matching their 6" fittings. But no problems at all.
pic 2 ....comes into the work area here, and I've got it running along each wall to the machines....pic 3
pic 4....along this wall here dropping down to the scm, bandsaw and small tablesaw, thicknesser, jointer.....and there's a makeshift router table there, which I'll run a hose up to latter onto the table top.
pic 5 ....scm... haven't finished the hood yet. But will have a couple of pick ups here. One swing down underneath, and a smaller hose going into the regular inlet there on the machine.
pic 6....down to my lathe......haven't worked out entirely yet. playing around with it still, and it should work itself out.
A big thing I noticed was the importance in maintaining 6" ducting over standard 4", as documented by Bill Pentz......as soon I dropped down to 4" the suction decreased noticeabley, which says a lot about regular 4" ducting I thought.
Overall the suctions incredible in IMO. Over 12-13metres its feels like its pulling more than these huge bloody bag machines I used to use at work, and they just pulled over just a couple of metres. Can tell instantly just by the air rushing sound and feeling what its like putting your hand over a vent. no toy unlike my other machines. No bags to clean. Healthy environment.
The downside was cost. After ducting an all that, talking probably near $3000AU.....but since only one dust extractors needed, and no bags clogging, I thought thats ok.
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10th January 2009, 10:31 PM #2
no bags you say? Do you vent straight outside? Looks the goods. can you put a detail pic on of your blast gates? they look pretty flash.
Steven Thomas
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10th January 2009, 10:37 PM #3
yes, vent straight outside. you can buy them with filters. But I didn't bother. Just more resistance and it was going all outside anyway, and also these cyclone designs have very high seperation rates anyway...ie. it all ends up in the drum, except the really fine stuff you can't see.
I'll get a pick tomorrow of the gates if you like. There just clear plasic ones. There not that flash. Work fine mind you, Got 6 of them with the kit. I'll have to make a couple more I think. out of mdf scrap probably.
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11th January 2009, 02:21 AM #4
Hey Jake
Well done on your cyclone set up.Regards
Al .
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11th January 2009, 10:09 AM #5
It looks like you have a great sucker there.
Nice job.
Even though I have read a lot of the information about cyclones, I didn't expect the 6" pipes to be that much more effective than the 4" ones.
Now I believe.Scally
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11th January 2009, 10:20 AM #6
Looks like a great set-up I especially like what looks like a sldie mechanism for the inlet, you will need it.
How does the vibration go with the pipes given you have it only sitting in the hangers? I ended up fixing mine to the walls with steel strapping due to the anoying bumping noise. Also, I hope you didn't glue the PVC pipe joints, you may need to pull it apart from time to time to clear blockages.Neil____________________________________________Every day presents an opportunity to learn something new
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11th January 2009, 01:28 PM #7
G'day Jake
I am pleased that you have succeeded and it is performing as you hoped. I finished up buying an old 4HP 3 phase machine, which does not perform very well, but I intend to rebuild the cyclone as close as possible to Bill Pentz's design and this should give me quite good performance. I am not sure when I will have it finished as I am looking into extending the workshop, and if this works out I will be concentrating on that before the dust extractor.
Regards
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11th January 2009, 02:11 PM #8
G'day Jake,
That's a very nice set up you have there. I've never seen anyone before with plumbing sitting at that height level before. As Dai Sensei says the strapping around it would help with any vibration, if you have any.
I've been eying off what I suspect to be a 3ph cyclone that's sitting outside an abandoned factory that's being gutted not far from me, with the hope of grabbing it - knowing my luck and I haven't checked for a few weeks now it's probably been demolished with the rest of the place. But,
Well done Jake.
Only thing I wonder about is the effectiveness of the wye in the third pic that runs against the direction of the others and what I guess also runs in the opposite direction to the suction of the cyclone?
Another question. Is the suction of the cyclone suffice that you don't need gates after each wye in the run so that you don't have long runs of dead air?
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11th January 2009, 05:24 PM #9
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11th January 2009, 05:30 PM #10AllegedlyJeremy
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11th January 2009, 07:52 PM #11
Can get the calipers in with it slidable eh. used drawrunners. but, max movements about 500mm. Today I made a big woodern slider instead of the runners so I can use the same extraction over both lathes.
Vibration. not getting any bumping sounds. maybe its cause of the larger diameter pipe....Was worried, that I'd get resonating vibration through this thin metal cladded shed of mine. So, freestanded the cyclone off the ground, and used a little flex hose between the cyclone and the start of the ducting. ( that first pic shows it) but no vibration. only air wooshing sounds and hum of the motor in the awning next door.
The sounds that bother me is the high pitched squealing sounds of the air rushing through the thicknesser and jointer heads. not used to that. finding it hard to get used to.
didn't glue the joints. was told to just put a small screw to hold them together, and run silicon around the joint so they can come apart easy. I haven't bothered putting silicon around them yet.
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11th January 2009, 08:04 PM #12
hi mate. Good luck with that find !
you only meant to have one blast gate open at one time. When all the gates are closed along one wall there, it just pulls from the other. not sure what you mean about against the direction. maybe my pictures misleading.
from just playing around with it so far, I think you can simply say.....if all blast gates along one wire are closed, then that entire length is out of the system in terms of performance.
ie. can do what you like. just have a blast gate immediately prior to each machine. Found for best performance, just have one gate open. Found I could get by with two open though for some of the tools.
Sposed to have the cyclone positioned close to your main dust producers, like the thicknesser. Which I haven't done, because I had have it away from the house. noise considerations etc....but no problems it seems even so far away.
Basically, In designing the ducting, I tried to keep the number of bends, flexi hose and reductions to 4" to a minimum. especially the 4".
feel, the performance of this cyclone, is compensating for my ducting designs mistakes anyway. thankgod.
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11th January 2009, 08:24 PM #13
a few more pics.
pic 1 and 2 - finished the hood and pickup from under the scm. excited about that, since its normally a very messy area. Will put wire mesh over it to stop the large bits falling in. Will attach a smaller hose there when I can find some from the main pickup off the machine. Beginning to think I may not need it. Most of its being pulled into that 150mm pickup there anyway.
pic 3....there's your blast gate lumber bunker.
pic 4,5.....quite fond of this pick idea of mine at the lathe. show it off. Its a small piece of timber running inside a long length that runs over the entire length of my lathes. just applied rebates forming a woodern track of sorts. Will attach that hose holder to it latter (that box thingo) to hang off it .So I can use the same hose over both lathes. can slide from one end to the other. slide it out of the way when need be.
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12th January 2009, 09:02 PM #14
That sucks Jake
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12th January 2009, 09:47 PM #15
And it's 6" too, not the usual 4"
(just putting a 5" hose from my dusty in place of the wye to the second stage 44 gal drum improved things dramatically, so going 6" for the whole shebang )
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