Thread: Fitting out a new (small) shed.

Welcome to the forum Aaron.

Hi Aaron, and welcome mate!

just going to say what I would do in that situation, based on the information available

1. is it possible to move the storage to the back of the shed? That leaves you working in the area near the roller door getting more fresh air. Also more pleasant to work there??

2. The band saw is (BS) the least of my dust problems. Though it takes a 4" line and Dust Extractor, I sometimes don't bother if its a small job. I just clean up with the shop vac.

3. I raise that point re the BS because the sanding machine and router are really best served by a shop vac, at least in my shop. The newer ones have the 2" or 2 1/4" hoses and take care of the dust pretty well. I actually use an old drum wet'n'dry vacuum cleaner with the smaller hose. Would like to replace it with a newer model but hey it works. I even connected a basic Thien style collector made from a basic plastic drum.

4. the biggest lesson I've learned re dust is to shower at the end of the day, as soon as I'm finished in the shop. that has helped a lot, as my lifetime habit of showering in the morning jsut left me carrying unknown amounts of dust around, even going to bed I guess.

Good luck, just do what you can within the budget and then develop step by step.

Hi and thanks for the welcome Bendigo Bob and old1955.

The storage works better for me at the front of the shed as it has things that are in and out frequently; pushbikes, lawnmower, other garden equipment, etc. Navigating these through a workshop isn't ideal.

I am hoping to explore resawing with the BS and I can imagine that will spit out a bit of dust. So extraction there it seems would be required.

But yes a shop vac I think would be better suited to the router at least. It's just a matter of what kind I guess.

Yes, that's right, if you do a lot of resawing there is a lot of sawdust, but not so much fine aerosol sawdust as some other machines make in my own experience. I'd nevertheless experiment with connecting the smaller shop vac to it anyway, with some sort of jerry rigged connector first. see how that goes. With space being at a premium, don't go buying extra equipment until you HAVE TO

The fundamental problem with all shop vacs and DCs is, unless the are located or vent outside the shed, they all (eventually) have problems and end up contaminating a shed with fine dust.
<1/4 of a soft drink bottle top full of wood dust is enough to contaminate the air of 5 of your sheds above the recommended OHS level, which is itself probably too high.
Whatever you decide to use you really want to be targeting external venting of the dust collection system,
If there is one single most important thing that WW can do is to do that.
Have you thought about this?

The other important question I would ask is, what sort of hours are you planning on spending in this workshop?

Hi BobL

Time spent in the workshop would probably average out to an hour or so a day I reckon. Some days I might spend the whole day wworking, or I might go a week without even setting foot in there.

I have thought about the whole venting outside practice. It makes sense. No point collecting the dust to then pump it back into the space again.
One of the things I have considered is building an enclosure out the back next to the water tank. I saw this on another post recently. The thing is would it make more sense to stick a shop vac or a DE in there considering the tools I'm looking at?

Another thing I have considered is a small bathroom ventilation fan up in the back wall to vent the space in combination with opening windows/doors when weather permits.

Originally Posted by Aaron9

Time spent in the workshop would probably average out to an hour or so a day I reckon. Some days I might spend the whole day wworking, or I might go a week without even setting foot in there.

For an average of one hour a day exposure, in what does not sound that dusty a shed, ventilation (all doors and windows open) and a face mask is probably going to be OK. However, on days when you work all day, weather (e.g. lack of a breeze or a gale) and escaping noise will put a damper on this some days. I don't like being restricted too much by what I can do by these factors.

I have thought about the whole venting outside practice. It makes sense. No point collecting the dust to then pump it back into the space again.
One of the things I have considered is building an enclosure out the back next to the water tank. I saw this on another post recently. The thing is would it make more sense to stick a shop vac or a DE in there considering the tools I'm looking at?

Its not just the dust - you get rid of the noise as well - I hate the sound of a screaming DC or Vac.
It depends what your priorities are.
Vacs are good at picking up chips and visible dust..
DCs are not as good at chips but better at extracting fine dust. A DC can also be used to ventilate a shed whereas a Vac cannot.
Vacs will do their thing OK over longer distances(e.g. 5m) provided 50 mm hose is used.
To get a DC working well up to 5m you will need a modified 2HP or preferably a 3HP DC, and use 6" ducting. You will also need to open up the ports on machinery.

Another thing I have considered is a small bathroom ventilation fan up in the back wall to vent the space in combination with opening windows/doors when weather permits.

A bathroom fan is better than nothing but only moves about twice the air of a good vac so it will be very slow in venting a shed.
A evaporative aircon fan will move a lot more air although the noise will be significant .There are better fans out there called squirrel cage fans that move a lot of air, are very quiet, and use very little power. Unfortunately they are quite rare.

OK so a 3hp DC with 6" ducting seems the best option as it can also be used vent the shop.

Now the question of model... I don't see rave reviews for the Y connector type units (DC7 and the like). Is there a particular model that does the job that doesn't also break the bank? Single phase too...

Originally Posted by Aaron9

OK so a 3hp DC with 6" ducting seems the best option as it can also be used vent the shop.

Now the question of model... I don't see rave reviews for the Y connector type units (DC7 and the like). Is there a particular model that does the job that doesn't also break the bank? Single phase too...

I'd be looking at this
https://www.carbatec.com.au/dust-con...e-ct-oo3vb-3ph
and this
https://www.timbecon.com.au/extracti...dust-extractor
or similar

Just wondering if you can mount the band saw on a mobile carriage and move it outside when you want to do any significant resawing?

Cool. I did come across that Sherwood one in my searches. The CT one however is 3ph so that's out.

How would fitting a 6" pipe to the 8" inlet on the Sherwood unit affect it's performance would you imagine?

Originally Posted by ian

Just wondering if you can mount the band saw on a mobile carriage and move it outside when you want to do any significant resawing?

It could potentially be done but as BobL stated above it would be good to not be restricted by weather.

Originally Posted by Aaron9

Cool. I did come across that Sherwood one in my searches. The CT one however is 3ph so that's out.

You could run it on a VFD?

How would fitting a 6" pipe to the 8" inlet on the Sherwood unit affect it's performance would you imagine?

Well, if you look at what Carbatec do they already throttle it down by offering it with 3 x 100 mm ports which is the same as 1 x 150 mm duct.

Don't believe any figures on flow rates given by sales or manufacturers, that data if for the impeller alone. If filters, ducting junction and machinery are added you can basically halve the stated flow,

The limit using 150mm pipe is about 1250 cfm anyway.

Timbecon sell adapters for the 8" to 6" ducting for $50 but you can do the same thing with a $5 plastic pot from bunnings
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A couple of questions.

So I'm looking at the Sherwood DC 2900 here
It states on the page that it is 2600mm high. That's pretty tall. I want to build a separate enclosure next to the shed and one to fit this thing would be huge. Would there be any reason I couldn't reduce that height by altering the filter bag size?

Now about the enclosure. I like the idea of your baffle box Bob and want to implement one for my enclosure. How do you keep pests out of it? I imagine a mesh screen would limit the airflow.