Thread: Anyone own any of these? Cyclone dust collector comparisons

Originally Posted by hurcorh

What I find frustrating is the CV1800 3 phase without filters in USA is $1400 USD ($1850AUD) and CV oz has price listed as $3064 with GST. That's some expensive freight! (65% more)

USA model comes with a Leeson 5HP 3ph motor OZ version with a Teco (chinese I think?) 5hp 3ph motor.

Compared to $2499 USD ($3304AUD) in USA for laguna Pflux and available here in Aus for $3890AUD. (18% more) big difference in the % between USA and Aus pricing on these two.

Where do I start, I was the original distributor of CV in this country and if you reckon you can bring one in for a lot less that $3,000 as a one off buy let me know how. You would have to beat it by a substantial margin to make it worth your while and that is definitely not going to happen. You have no idea of the back ground costs that are involved in bringing something like this in and then putting a margin on it that pays the distributor for his time and effort. The unit that you would buy would not work in Oz anyway as the motor mounts are all different and you would have to then obtain a motor, a VFD etc as the original equipment won't work here.

The motor change nearly sunk CV in Oz until I found a dual voltage motor that could be used. I have heard of no reports of unreliability with the TECO but that does not mean there have been none. I can't comment on the current costing as that is up to the present distributor but I did forewarn everyone directly involved that the retail end price would have to rise substantially when the AUD fell to where it historically sits at against the USD which is where it is now. When I was involved I could hold the costs a lot lower due to the parity of the two currencies at the time.

I bought a CV Max 3ph and a VDF too. The Cyclone was bought through a Canadian company, Stockroom Supply, because it was about $400Can cheaper than direct from the US. It still came to about $3,300Can and the VDF from Powtran was another $325Can. I can empathize with all of you on the cost of good dust collection as we aren't much different than you.

Pete

Don't look at the daily exchange rate that is flouted by all the banks, you will be lucky to get within 2.5 cents of it and all international transactions cop charges on top of that. I used to watch the rate like a hawk and gamble on paying at the correct time. I don't mean to stifle posts to this thread by my comments above but the retail end cost in Oz is influenced by more than the exchange rate and the upfront payments are done months ahead of the stock being sold in Oz. When I was selling CV I was told by a very prominent retailer I was selling them too cheap and my personal import before I became the distributor cost me about $700 more than what I was retailing them for. I am sure Aldav has similar experiences to tell.

Thanks Chris for the info. By no means was I getting at the fact that we are getting ripped off here or anything like that if that is how it came across. More so, the unfortunate state we have to deal with due to geo location and all the background costs involve.d It's hard trying to compete locally and it's a shame we couldn't support locally built cyclones we just don't have the market size for it i guess.

Originally Posted by hurcorh

Thanks Chris for the info. By no means was I getting at the fact that we are getting ripped off here or anything like that if that is how it came across. More so, the unfortunate state we have to deal with due to geo location and all the background costs involve.d It's hard trying to compete locally and it's a shame we couldn't support locally built cyclones we just don't have the market size for it i guess.

All good Hurcoh, very few people understand the complexity and costs involved and it was an eye opener to me. I admit that the exchange rate/value for money appears to be at odds with the US price on most things.

So my current Jet Bandsaw has 2x 100mm ports. Would it be more ideal if I could open up one to 150mm and run a single 150mm line or two 100mm of of a splinter from the 150mm main line? There is one port just below the blade there is a shroud around kind of under the table. The other is at the base of the cabinet.

Sawstop stupidly have a 4" port like most machinery it seems and the overhead fitting it comes with is for a shop vac (useless) so i'll probably make something similar to that of the designs i've seen on this forum from BobL, Dom, etc out of a clear material. I was wondering though that if I ran the 4" Cabinet port plus a 6" overhead, would the cv1800 be ok? Might be able to cut a 6" into the cabinet too. Will have to have a look. I considered the CVmax but 200mm ductwork is too darn expensive for me. Ridiculous. It's a shame because if i'm spending 3 odd grand on the cv1800 what's an extra $500 for the cvmax but then with ducting it's a huge difference.

Originally Posted by hurcorh

So my current Jet Bandsaw has 2x 100mm ports. Would it be more ideal if I could open up one to 150mm and run a single 150mm line or two 100mm of of a splinter from the 150mm main line? There is one port just below the blade there is a shroud around kind of under the table. The other is at the base of the cabinet.

I would just use the 2 x 100. You could add a 3rd one to just above the band guides above table.

Sawstop stupidly have a 4" port like most machinery it seems and the overhead fitting it comes with is for a shop vac (useless) so i'll probably make something similar to that of the designs i've seen on this forum from BobL, Dom, etc out of a clear material. I was wondering though that if I ran the 4" Cabinet port plus a 6" overhead, would the cv1800 be ok?

You really need that the other way around - a 6" into the cabinet (thats where most of the dust is) and a 4" OH is enough.